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Post by mookie on Jan 4, 2018 11:11:04 GMT -6
Frozen take: Rose stopping Finn was the low point of that entire movie. Okay, this bothered me in TFA's climax and it's eating away at this one, too - does no one know how to stage action with geographic consistency? Rose is looking over her RIGHT shoulder at Finn when he's going in for the suicide run, and then she knocks him out from HIS right. Not only that, but Finn then drags Rose's body back the same distance it took the speeders entire minutes to cross - presumably while the whole First Order fires their guns on Luke. THEY WERE PROJECTING THEMSELVES (sorry, had to steal your answer) |
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 11:13:21 GMT -6
I forget if we talked about it but originally the Master Codebreaker was going to be Lando - which would've been a great fanservice reveal, them running around yelling about a red bloom and they find Lando Calrissian. Apparently they swapped him out though because they may use him in a greater capacity in IX.
I feel like that would've put the Canto Bight minisode into a better context if it reintroduced him.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 11:15:00 GMT -6
Huh. Don't know how I would have felt about that.
The entire casino plot, while gorgeous, just felt filler-y. But, I think that's an inevitable result of the fact that they didn't accomplish their goal on the ship.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 11:19:56 GMT -6
Probably wouldn't have bothered me if they had found the person they were looking for, actually talked with him, accidentally pissed him off / caused him to die, and had to make do with finding someone else. That's ultimately a semantic change as far as the story goes, but eh.
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Post by neader on Jan 4, 2018 11:21:08 GMT -6
Huh. Don't know how I would have felt about that. The entire casino plot, while gorgeous, just felt filler-y. But, I think that's an inevitable result of the fact that they didn't accomplish their goal on the ship. True but without it Beicini wouldn't have pass the information on about the planet with the passenger and them being cloaked. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 11:23:42 GMT -6
Huh. Don't know how I would have felt about that. The entire casino plot, while gorgeous, just felt filler-y. But, I think that's an inevitable result of the fact that they didn't accomplish their goal on the ship. True but without it Beicini wouldn't have pass the information on about the planet with the passenger and them being cloaked. It would have worked well as a complement to the Poe / Holdo standoff, but I think it felt too disconnected. |
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 11:24:28 GMT -6
Not a helpful take at all, but if this movie had been a 10-episode HBO series Canto Bight would've been like two episodes in the middle and wouldn't seem weird. For as little 'happened' in this movie Rian Johnson crammed a lot of world-building stuff that doesn't quite fit.
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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 12:10:55 GMT -6
The casino plot was pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:12:46 GMT -6
are you just talking to yourself at this point
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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 12:17:51 GMT -6
I just assume everyone has blocked me by now
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 12:21:42 GMT -6
There was a decent and interesting point to be made in that the people there were weapons dealers to both sides, but again, it was kind of squandered.
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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 12:27:55 GMT -6
How come the Resistance needed a bomb squadron when they could've just attach a few bombs to each X-Wing. Less casualties. Also how do you drop bombs in space when there's no gravity?
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 12:30:03 GMT -6
Alright, now you're just getting into "Why do we hear the explosions?" territory
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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 12:37:02 GMT -6
Lies! But can anyone Star Wars universe actually see the opening crawl in space?
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 13:10:38 GMT -6
UA you've played Portal; the B/SF-17 bombers have their own internal gravity like any spacecraft. When the bombs are primed and dropped the momenum they build within the ship's gravity carries them downward.
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Post by doso on Jan 4, 2018 13:45:13 GMT -6
BOMBOGENESIS
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 13:47:08 GMT -6
I think that's the home planet of the First Order.
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Post by mookie on Jan 5, 2018 13:19:32 GMT -6
Oh Pitchfork...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 13:21:11 GMT -6
written by Lucille Bluth
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Post by neader on Jan 11, 2018 15:12:34 GMT -6
Get off my fb wretched
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 19:37:12 GMT -6
just got back from finally seeing it for a second time and yeah i'm definitely infatuated with it.
i went in fully prepared with criticisms and theories in mind and there's quite a bit i didnt notice before that pretty much cements my beliefs that Rian & co. knew exactly what they were doing and can explain pretty much everything as far as complaints with luke, rey/kylo, etc.
the only open ended question still is snoke and there's a lot of in his dialogue that i didnt notice the first time that definitely keeps it ambiguous as to whether or not he was playing kylo.
the finn/rose still felt a little weak but it felt like it went by faster this time so i wasn't as annoyed with it. i think just editing it down a bit or cutting back to the resistance and rey more often would've resolved the pacing.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 8:28:47 GMT -6
just got back from finally seeing it for a second time and yeah i'm definitely infatuated with it. i went in fully prepared with criticisms and theories in mind and there's quite a bit i didnt notice before that pretty much cements my beliefs that Rian & co. knew exactly what they were doing and can explain pretty much everything as far as complaints with luke, rey/kylo, etc. the only open ended question still is snoke and there's a lot of in his dialogue that i didnt notice the first time that definitely keeps it ambiguous as to whether or not he was playing kylo. the finn/rose still felt a little weak but it felt like it went by faster this time so i wasn't as annoyed with it. i think just editing it down a bit or cutting back to the resistance and rey more often would've resolved the pacing.  For the most part, my initial praise holds up. My biggest complaints are still 1.Rose sending Finn through a tablecompletely robbing Finn of all agency and stopping his sacrifice for a one-sided crush, which is built up more than I thought on first watch, but still not enough.
2. General Holdo being so tight lipped that a mutiny happens. While they're filling up the transport ships. You still can't tell people the plan at that point?
3. Captain Phasma Captain Phasmaing all over the place again. She's going to be back, and like Finn, they've got a long way to go to make her worth it. The Snoke throne room scene is still as visually stunning as I thought, and this definitely slots in with the upper tier of these flicks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 8:33:32 GMT -6
i think those are all spoiler free at this point.
the finn/rose thing there only bugs me because it's so 1 sided. finn is so obsessed with rey the whole movie that rose gets 3rd wheeled and when the time comes for the kiss it's just awkward -- which kinda adds to their shtick of being comic relief but also undermines his almost-death. so i agree with you but also not sure i wanted finn to die yet?
i like that holdo is so tight lipped while leia is incapacitated. it suggests both her ability to take control and also not let anyone steer away from leia's plan. that being said, once the mutiny starts, holdo should've explained why they were using the cloaked transport ships and not just let poe take the bridge, agreed.
im really bummed about phasma's lack of appearances after they hyped up Gwendoline so much. they might make the final battle in IX worth it but yeah it'll be a rough path. i feel like there will be director's cuts for VII and VIII that clear it all but that doesnt take away from the theater experience of "wait that's it?"
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 8:40:35 GMT -6
i think those are all spoiler free at this point. the finn/rose thing there only bugs me because it's so 1 sided. finn is so obsessed with rey the whole movie that rose gets 3rd wheeled and when the time comes for the kiss it's just awkward -- which kinda adds to their shtick of being comic relief but also undermines his almost-death. so i agree with you but also not sure i wanted finn to die yet? i like that holdo is so tight lipped while leia is incapacitated. it suggests both her ability to take control and also not let anyone steer away from leia's plan. that being said, once the mutiny starts, holdo should've explained why they were using the cloaked transport ships and not just let poe take the bridge, agreed. im really bummed about phasma's lack of appearances after they hyped up Gwendoline so much. they might make the final battle in IX worth it but yeah it'll be a rough path. i feel like there will be director's cuts for VII and VIII that clear it all but that doesnt take away from the theater experience of "wait that's it?" I LIKE SPOILERS DARNIT Obviously, they don't know this at the time, but it's just so frustrating seeing them come up with their disable the tracking plan, knowing that it will completely ruin their escape plan, AND NO ONE TALKS TO EACH OTHER. But, it probably bothers me because it's super realistic. I need to go watch Burn after Reading Again. I also don't want Finn to die(?), but I was excited that they might make that bold of a choice. That move alone would have been huge. OH, ALSO, WHY DO ALL THESE CAPTAINS HAVE TO REMAIN ON THEIR SHIPS??? Ok, sure, it's good that Holdo is present to do what she does, but is there no autopilot?  ?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 8:46:09 GMT -6
my only real bummer with the failed plan on canto bight is that we only got 30 seconds of Justin Theroux. but apparently the theory is that he's a main character in the upcoming Rian universe.
yeah i think at that point there were so many "twists" that my jaw was agape because i really believed they might kill finn. i think once rose screwed it up i was like "damnit! ...wait. no, that makes sense. but still..."
cause the empire/first order has scanners that detect lifeforms on ships, remember? they would know if the cruiser had no life on it and they would've started scanning for escape pods (earlier than they did.) im more frustrated that holdo waited until nearly 20 pods were destroyed before she finally rams the FO -- because she knew she was going down with the ship anyway. weaponize that shit immediately!
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 8:50:28 GMT -6
my only real bummer with the failed plan on canto bight is that we only got 30 seconds of Justin Theroux. but apparently the theory is that he's a main character in the upcoming Rian universe. yeah i think at that point there were so many "twists" that my jaw was agape because i really believed they might kill finn. i think once rose screwed it up i was like "damnit! ...wait. no, that makes sense. but still..." cause the empire/first order has scanners that detect lifeforms on ships, remember? they would know if the cruiser had no life on it and they would've started scanning for escape pods (earlier than they did.) im more frustrated that holdo waited until nearly 20 pods were destroyed before she finally rams the FO -- because she knew she was going down with the ship anyway. weaponize that shit immediately! I'm talking more about the medical ship that literally runs out of fuel, and then falls outside of their shield range. We see the captain on the bridge of that. Why did he need to be there? Seemed like just a waste of a life. I really do hope we get more of him, and that he gets an actual name. Calling him Master Codebreaker still irks me. Rian did mention that, at least, as far as he sees it, it's literally the first time anyone has come up with that in their universe, so I'll grant her the time to come up with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 8:58:32 GMT -6
he does mention that everyone on those first 2 ships have been evacuated so you effectively only lose the 2 pilots.
i agree they could've abandoned them or left them on autopilot but also "captain going down with the ship, honor loyalty duty blah blah blah"
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:02:53 GMT -6
he does mention that everyone on those first 2 ships have been evacuated so you effectively only lose the 2 pilots. i agree they could've abandoned them or left them on autopilot but also "captain going down with the ship, honor loyalty duty blah blah blah" Yeah, no. By the end, the entire resistance fits on the Falcon. You can't afford to lose people for honor at that rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:04:03 GMT -6
fair but at the time they still had a full cruiser and 30 escape vessels.
they should've gone full conservative after losing the bombing squad tho.
(im mostly agreeing with you but trying to play some devil's advocate cause it what i do)
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