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Post by irvred on Jan 26, 2018 9:13:07 GMT -6
Space military has weird codes like the real military. I was willing to buy it as an unspoken thing but the fact they had Holdo explicitly say they needed to 'PILOT' the ship makes no sense to me. I forgive it because her final move is legit awe-inspiring, but I do think they could've written a better reason.
The highs this movie reaches are actual peaks for the series as a whole. The lows almost scrape prequel territory. If John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran were worse actors I would put Canto Bight on Episode II levels of annoying. The Phasma scenes/fight are physically shot and staged worse than any other stretch of the series; Finn and Rose are handcuffed and about to executed, surrounded by troopers, when Holdo hits them. I am more than fine with coincidence and perfect timing in Star Wars at this point. However, the next time we see the two, Rose is trying to drag Finn, neither have handcuffs, and Phasma is JUST (re?)entering the docking bay with a platoon of soldiers. Not to mention she decides to spear-fight Finn when halfway through she tries to shoot Rose, revealing she had a blaster the entire time.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:14:53 GMT -6
Also, Finn dragging Rose back to the base after the cannon fires gets into GoT-level timeline weirdness.
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Post by irvred on Jan 26, 2018 9:15:57 GMT -6
I was blaming JJ Abrams this entire time for how wonky the geography of TFA's final battle was, but apparently it's just the new standard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:16:23 GMT -6
Space military has weird codes like the real military. I was willing to buy it as an unspoken thing but the fact they had Holdo explicitly say they needed to 'PILOT' the ship makes no sense to me. I forgive it because her final move is legit awe-inspiring, but I do think they could've written a better reason. The highs this movie reaches are actual peaks for the series as a whole. The lows almost scrape prequel territory. If John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran were worse actors I would put Canto Bight on Episode II levels of annoying. The Phasma scenes/fight are physically shot and staged worse than any other stretch of the series; Finn and Rose are handcuffed and about to executed, surrounded by troopers, when Holdo hits them. I am more than fine with coincidence and perfect timing in Star Wars at this point. However, the next time we see the two, Rose is trying to drag Finn, neither have handcuffs, and Phasma is JUST (re?)entering the docking bay with a platoon of soldiers. Not to mention she decides to spear-fight Finn when halfway through she tries to shoot Rose, revealing she had a blaster the entire time. i can agree to most of the finn/rose/phasma stuff but the docking bay re-entry bit doesnt bug me. everyone in the bay is thrown who-knows-how-far after the collision and most of them are incapacitated so phasma, being the toughest, immediately collecting herself after being tossed across the room and gathering a few troops seems fine enough, all things considered. |
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Post by irvred on Jan 26, 2018 9:22:37 GMT -6
The entire action makes no sense in my mind.
A) If she thinks Finn and Rose didn't survive the impact, I could see her leaving and then evacuating the Supremacy. No need to get troops, though. No enemies INSIDE the ship, they should all evacuate.
B) If she thinks Finn and Rose are alive (and possibly even responsible for the explosion? She has no idea Holdo just went lightspeed) then she could have just shot/speared them while they were still unconscious. No need to gather troops to shoot two sleeping people.
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Post by neader on Jan 26, 2018 9:24:42 GMT -6
The entire action makes no sense in my mind. A) If she thinks Finn and Rose didn't survive the impact, I could see her leaving and then evacuating the Supremacy. No need to get troops, though. No enemies INSIDE the ship, they should all evacuate. B) If she thinks Finn and Rose are alive (and possibly even responsible for the explosion? She has no idea Holdo just went lightspeed) then she could have just shot/speared them while they were still unconscious. No need to gather troops to shoot two sleeping people. but what if she knew bb-8 was going to get into the at-st? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:29:26 GMT -6
Also, Finn dragging Rose back to the base after the cannon fires gets into GoT-level timeline weirdness. yes and no. the hole is blasted open and we know finn and rose are knocked out, wake up, and finn carries her back. in that time, poe is able to come running back from his crashed ship, luke does his thing, and kylo and hux make their advance. it's still a stretch to think finn could run that fast with her on his back but it's definitely not like a "holy shit they fast traveled the whole planet in 15 minutes" kinda speed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:31:34 GMT -6
B) If she thinks Finn and Rose are alive (and possibly even responsible for the explosion? She has no idea Holdo just went lightspeed) then she could have just shot/speared them while they were still unconscious. No need to gather troops to shoot two sleeping people. ehhh this is basically saying "hey that whole Hollywood movie thing where bad guys let the good guys live long enough just to make a comeback? dont do that" like, it'd be great if writers/directors did that more, but then it'd be hard to build a franchise. like if Bond villains ACTUALLY tried to kill Bond whenever they could, 007 would never survive a film. it's just part of the dumb villain arc. (im fully aware ive made mental acrobatic jumps to say this villain logic doesnt hold up for snoke. shut up everyone) |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:32:09 GMT -6
It wouldn't be so bad if we hadn't just seen them spend 10-whatever minutes riding those land-speeders in a mostly straight line just to get close to the cannon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:34:50 GMT -6
that is definitely what irked me more the second time.
the overhead shots make it look like the base and the ATT walkers are already pretty close. then it takes forever for the speeders to get within range.
but maybe the speeders are just slow which is why so many of them get shot down?
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Post by irvred on Jan 26, 2018 9:36:14 GMT -6
B) If she thinks Finn and Rose are alive (and possibly even responsible for the explosion? She has no idea Holdo just went lightspeed) then she could have just shot/speared them while they were still unconscious. No need to gather troops to shoot two sleeping people. ehhh this is basically saying "hey that whole Hollywood movie thing where bad guys let the good guys live long enough just to make a comeback? dont do that" like, it'd be great if writers/directors did that more, but then it'd be hard to build a franchise. like if Bond villains ACTUALLY tried to kill Bond whenever they could, 007 would never survive a film. it's just part of the dumb villain arc. (im fully aware ive made mental acrobatic jumps to say this villain logic doesnt hold up for snoke. shut up everyone) I don't agree it's the same thing because if Rian Johnson had just written it so that they all came back to consciousness at the same time and grabbed whatever melee weapons were immediately next to them we'd have the exact same fight scene and result without the nonsense scenic route. It is just a weird crowd-pleaser moment for BB-8 to shoot a bunch of people. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:37:30 GMT -6
Geography of that fight was just bad, and the Rebels' plan for getting the bombers in place at the start was equally so.
If the stormtroopers weren't incompetent / terrible shots, none of those bombers would have made it remotely close.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:39:01 GMT -6
it was my first time watching the bomber scene so i felt like i was playing catch-up but there was definitely something frustrating about how the bombers just slowly strut up to the front of the ship in linear fashion.
then again it's probably a good illustration of poe's foolish and rushed attempt at leadership
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:39:11 GMT -6
also no one dare bring any BB-H8 around here.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:41:38 GMT -6
How to foil any Star Wars space battle:
1. Have a dedicated team that doesn't peel off to deal with fighters.
2. Shoot at the big thing or the weak part of the big thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:44:01 GMT -6
there's definitely something to appreciate in the fact that this one didnt try to recreate another death star/starkiller base and instead focused on the characters' finales (for better or worse depending on the character)
one could argue snoke's ship but it literally just gets rammed to death and there's no master plan to blow up the core. the best case is the tracker plot and it goes to shit -- which is also a nice change of pace.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:47:18 GMT -6
there's definitely something to appreciate in the fact that this one didnt try to recreate another death star/starkiller base and instead focused on the characters' finales (for better or worse depending on the character) one could argue snoke's ship but it literally just gets rammed to death and there's no master plan to blow up the core. the best case is the tracker plot and it goes to shit -- which is also a nice change of pace. Still couldn't avoid it entirely. Stupid deathstar-tech battering ram cannon. JUST HAD TO HAVE THOSE WORDS IN THE MOVIE, DID YA RIAN? Co-sign everything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:49:04 GMT -6
ah i didnt think about the battering ram.
idk it cant blow up a planet so i'll let it slide.
it's a good tool to illustrate the last bastion of the rebellion and impending doom at the door.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:54:25 GMT -6
I agree it was much less egregious than TFA, but seriously, there are so many superweapons in that universe. Come up with something else! It wasn't even that Death Star-y of a ray anyway! Just call it a battering ram cannon, full stop!
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Post by irvred on Jan 26, 2018 9:55:55 GMT -6
See I cut the bombers at the beginning a ton of slack because Johnson is obviously trying to reference the WWII movies that partially inspired Lucas in A New Hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:57:12 GMT -6
See I cut the bombers at the beginning a ton of slack because Johnson is obviously trying to reference the WWII movies that partially inspired Lucas in A New Hope. hadnt even thought of that. interesting. still a shit formation and attack angle but fair enough. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 26, 2018 9:57:41 GMT -6
See I cut the bombers at the beginning a ton of slack because Johnson is obviously trying to reference the WWII movies that partially inspired Lucas in A New Hope. That's a point. Give them some visible shields, and I'm bothered a lot less. |
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Post by mookie on Feb 5, 2018 9:22:22 GMT -6
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Post by andrewvb on Feb 5, 2018 9:23:23 GMT -6
movie doesn't look like it's gonna be too good imo
that guy doesn't seem like han at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 9:26:17 GMT -6
i was pretty hyped by the teaser last night but now that i see that Woody is gonna be a cliche patriarchal "gang leader with a heart of gold" and i dunno how i feel about the lead guy as han, im back to just assuming it'll be a typical ron howard movie in a familiar universe.
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Post by andrewvb on Feb 5, 2018 9:27:16 GMT -6
it just doesnt seem like han has any charisma in that trailer when it's all supposed to be charismatic han. every bit falls flat.
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Post by irvred on Feb 5, 2018 9:27:46 GMT -6
He was phenomenal in Hail, Caesar! so I can imagine why they cast him, but yeah that voice is not great...
This looks like the heist movie I wanted Rogue One to be. If this movie is 'fun' that'll be good enough for me, but for real we do not need a Han backstory. New Hope IS the Han backstory. If he 'learns' anything about love or friendship or selflessness in this he immediately becomes incongruous with the OG Ford character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 9:29:10 GMT -6
He was phenomenal in Hail, Caesar! so I can imagine why they cast him, but yeah that voice is not great... This looks like the heist movie I wanted Rogue One to be. If this movie is 'fun' that'll be good enough for me, but for real we do not need a Han backstory. New Hope IS the Han backstory. If he 'learns' anything about love or friendship or selflessness in this he immediately becomes incongruous with the OG Ford character. yep this has been my issue with the idea from the start and now im not liking where they're taking it based on this trailer. well the 12 hours of excitement was nice while it lasted. |
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Post by Kamera on Feb 5, 2018 9:29:14 GMT -6
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Post by irvred on Feb 5, 2018 9:31:05 GMT -6
He was phenomenal in Hail, Caesar! so I can imagine why they cast him, but yeah that voice is not great... This looks like the heist movie I wanted Rogue One to be. If this movie is 'fun' that'll be good enough for me, but for real we do not need a Han backstory. New Hope IS the Han backstory. If he 'learns' anything about love or friendship or selflessness in this he immediately becomes incongruous with the OG Ford character. yep this has been my issue with the idea from the start and now im not liking where they're taking it based on this trailer. well the 12 hours of excitement was nice while it lasted. For real one of the biggest criticisms about the prequels was that they overexplained things from the OT so it's insulting Disney spent billions of dollars for the opportunity to overexplain more shit. |
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