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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 8:52:21 GMT -6
I appear to somehow be vastly outnumbered, but I'm going to post my case here:
Obviously none of this is important, and figuring out the average favorite albums of the 70s by group of ~20 people isn't worth complaining over. But there's great live stuff from every decade we haven't included, going on...4 decade lists now!! and it seems asinine and silly (and frankly, a bit of a cop out) to flesh out a list of 70s albums with live albums and comps. It doesn't make sense to say a live album that culls hits from 3-4 albums belongs in the same conversation as studio albums - the works that those live albums are drawing from. At that rate, why not just include greatest hits comps? Most live albums aren't even entirely from the same performance. It just honestly blows my mind that a board so historically concerned with list data is suddenly just like "ah, fuck it"
I truthfully think a list of greatest live albums would be more appropriate.
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 8:55:48 GMT -6
how has get yer ya-ya's out not been mentioned?? the fact that these performances took place in the 60s make this a great example of why i think this is a goofy idea |
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Post by kb on May 25, 2023 9:01:15 GMT -6
how has get yer ya-ya's out not been mentioned?? the fact that these performances took place in the 60s make this a great example of why i think this is a goofy idea this is true. i also get your point, was just indignant that no one had mentioned it. that said, if we did 2000s i could very well see putting alive 2007 on my list. |
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Post by borracho on May 25, 2023 9:02:11 GMT -6
why would we include live albums when i really started listening to music in the mid / late 70s as a kid, live albums were huge and was a gateway into the artists' collection. i didn't have to buy all their albums, just that one to get all i needed. my first album i bought was zeppelin song remains the same. i bought live albums (and greatest hits) almost exclusively for a while back then. deep purple live in japan, kiss alive / alive II, queen live killers, aerosmith live bootleg, priest unleashed in the east, jethro tull bursting out, yes yessongs, foghat live, nugent double live gonzo, ac/dc if you want blood, bob seger live bullet, rush all the world's a stage... and having those live albums prepared me for what i'd hear when i saw those concerts. |
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Post by thebosma on May 25, 2023 9:02:25 GMT -6
I appear to somehow be vastly outnumbered, but I'm going to post my case here: Obviously none of this is important, and figuring out the average favorite albums of the 70s by group of ~20 people isn't worth complaining over. But there's great live stuff from every decade we haven't included, going on...4 decade lists now!! and it seems asinine and silly (and frankly, a bit of a cop out) to flesh out a list of 70s albums with live albums and comps. It doesn't make sense to say a live album that culls hits from 3-4 albums belongs in the same conversation as studio albums - the works that those live albums are drawing from. At that rate, why not just include greatest hits comps? Most live albums aren't even entirely from the same performance. It just honestly blows my mind that a board so historically concerned with list data is suddenly just like "ah, fuck it" I truthfully think a list of greatest live albums would be more appropriate. Didn’t read all/much of this but have to say I vehemently disagree and am concerned with your lack of judgement on the subject matter |
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Post by kb on May 25, 2023 9:03:22 GMT -6
i didn't read it either tbh lol
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:08:44 GMT -6
I truthfully think a list of greatest live albums would be more appropriate. Now, this is something I could get behind. Otherwise, I'm in favor of including them, but it's not the end of the world if we go the other way. Like, obviously Europe 72 would score in the top 10 of my list, but it is a collection of songs, some of which date to the 60s. I think that the case should be a little slippery. If the live album is essential to the band's catalogue / to the era itself, then it should be germane for this discussion. Like, E72 was an album that sold a shit-load of copies and propelled the band forward beyond the hippie era. It's often included on mainstream "Best Of" lists and is hard to tell the story of the band without it. To be somewhat controversial, I would use this argument against Thin Lizzy's Live and Dangerous. That album obviously rips and is one of the best live records ever, IMO. But you could just listen to Jailbreak and get a similar rush. Plus the band's legacy doesn't hinge upon L&D, awesome as it is. Now, I understand my argument is probably too subjective to be applied universally. So maybe we should have a blanket Y/N ruling. I love live albums, and think they deserve canonization as much as their studio counterparts. Thus, I'd vote Yes. Provided, of course, they were both recorded AND officially released in the decade in question. An album that I think straddles the fence here is Bob Marley Live! - it has the classic versions of No Woman No Cry and Trenchtown Rock, but is it considered an essential part of his catalogue? I don't know. But, again, I'd lean yes. |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:10:05 GMT -6
I truthfully think a list of greatest live albums would be more appropriate. Now, this is something I could get behind. Otherwise, I'm in favor of including them, but it's not the end of the world if we go the other way. Like, obviously Europe 72 would score in the top 10 of my list, but it is a collection of songs, some of which date to the 60s. I think that the case should be a little slippery. If the live album is essential to the band's catalogue / to the era itself, then it should be germane for this discussion. Like, E72 was an album that sold a shit-load of copies and propelled the band forward beyond the hippie era. It's often included on mainstream "Best Of" lists and is hard to tell the story of the band without it. To be somewhat controversial, I would use this argument against Thin Lizzy's Live and Dangerous. That album obviously rips and is one of the best live records ever, IMO. But you could just listen to Jailbreak and get a similar rush. Plus the band's legacy doesn't hinge upon L&D, awesome as it is. Now, I understand my argument is probably too subjective to be applied universally. So maybe we should have a blanket Y/N ruling. I love live albums, and think they deserve canonization as much as their studio counterparts. Thus, I'd vote Yes. Provided, of course, they were both recorded AND officially released in the decade in question. An album that I think straddles the fence here is Bob Marley Live! - it has the classic versions of No Woman No Cry and Trenchtown Rock, but is it considered an essential part of his catalogue? I don't know. But, again, I'd lean yes. Other albums I think fit this designation are Frampton Comes Alive and Time Fades Away. |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:16:41 GMT -6
Sorry, I think another designation in my head is: "Are there studio albums that adequately capture these songs?" So, like, for an AC/DC live album - just listen to Highway to Hell. But I don't know if I've even heard the studio cuts for Frampton, "I Want You To Want Me," or obviously the Dead. No one is queueing up their debut record to hear "Morning Dew," ya know?
But, again, this is a slippery argument that may mostly make sense in my head.
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 9:17:27 GMT -6
Maybe the case should be if you include a live album, you aren't allowed to include other albums by said band / artist.
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Post by thebosma on May 25, 2023 9:18:41 GMT -6
I think we should definitely means test it into infinity so that we argue a ton when people post their lists
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 9:19:12 GMT -6
Sorry, I think another designation in my head is: "Are there studio albums that adequately capture these songs?" So, like, for an AC/DC live album - just listen to Highway to Hell. But I don't know if I've even heard the studio cuts for Frampton, "I Want You To Want Me," or obviously the Dead. No one is queueing up their debut record to hear "Morning Dew," ya know? But, again, this is a slippery argument that may mostly make sense in my head. bad take considering Let There Be Rock and If You Want Blood are amazing live albums that trump studio cuts - I'd just argue that they still don't count. but its hard to imagine not including Frampton Comes Alive - I can't argue with that. |
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Post by kb on May 25, 2023 9:19:30 GMT -6
Maybe the case should be if you include a live album, you aren't allowed to include other albums by said band / artist. excuse me what |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:19:34 GMT -6
I think we should definitely means test it into infinity so that we argue a ton when people post their lists I mean, why else do we all spend time here? |
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Post by thebosma on May 25, 2023 9:19:50 GMT -6
I think we should definitely means test it into infinity so that we argue a ton when people post their lists I mean, why else do we all spend time here? That’s what I’m saying |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 9:20:02 GMT -6
I think we should definitely means test it into infinity so that we argue a ton when people post their lists go away and we'll call you when we do our top 100 big thief dirges |
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Post by thebosma on May 25, 2023 9:20:13 GMT -6
Maybe the case should be if you include a live album, you aren't allowed to include other albums by said band / artist. excuse me what Can you use slightly more inflammatory language next time? I want to get this popping off |
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Post by scoots on May 25, 2023 9:23:06 GMT -6
Goddamn I came in here hoping for a list of albums to listen to and instead you're all somehow boring me more than my job.
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Post by thebosma on May 25, 2023 9:24:04 GMT -6
Goddamn I came in here hoping for a list of albums to listen to and instead you're all somehow boring me more than my job. Pretty good, but maybe a bit more pointed and personal and we’ll really be cooking |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:24:06 GMT -6
Goddamn I came in here hoping for a list of albums to listen to and instead you're all somehow boring me more than my job. Don't worry I have a list of like 200+ coming down the pike in an hour or two |
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Post by scoots on May 25, 2023 9:24:15 GMT -6
Was the live album released in the 70s? Yes? Cool, it can be included.
Happy to help.
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 9:25:28 GMT -6
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 9:28:48 GMT -6
I'm clearly outnumbered and not looking to make a day-long discussion over this so I guess if a live album came out between Jan 1 1970 and Dec 31 1979 it counts regardless of whatever the fuck is on it play ball *says not the organizer of this project. but, Tweet, my summary on this study is above |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:34:10 GMT -6
All this over Peter Frampton, who - by the way - sucks.
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 9:35:01 GMT -6
I listen to frampton comes alive so much lmao
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Post by scoots on May 25, 2023 9:36:03 GMT -6
Only good contribution Peter Frampton has made is that one Simpson's episode.
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:36:42 GMT -6
I'm clearly outnumbered and not looking to make a day-long discussion over this so I guess if a live album came out between Jan 1 1970 and Dec 31 1979 it counts regardless of whatever the fuck is on it play ball *says not the organizer of this project. but, Tweet , my summary on this study is above Tbh I think individual discretion will make this a non-issue. Like, more people are gonna vote for A Night at the Opera over whatever Queen live compilation album. I think it'll sort itself out over the larger (albeit small) sample. The only ones I really see cracking this list have already been mentioned (E72, Fillmore East, Budokan, Frampton, Thin Lizzy). Everything else will be statistical detritus. |
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Post by dij22 on May 25, 2023 9:37:23 GMT -6
All this over Peter Frampton, who - by the way - sucks. What the hell man |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on May 25, 2023 9:38:20 GMT -6
I listen to hampton comes alive so much lmao  fixed that 4 u |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 25, 2023 9:41:11 GMT -6
i've been throwing stuff on a list as i think of either albums or artists i need to pick through AC/DC - Highway to Hell
AC/DC - Powerage
Aerosmith
Ahmad Jamal - The Awakening
Alice Coltrane - Journey to Satchidananda
Bee Gees
Betty Davis - Nasty Gal
Big Star
Bill Withers - Still Bill
Billy Joel - Cold Spring Harbor
Billy Joel - The Stranger
Black Sabbath
Blondie - Parallel Lines
Bob Dylan & the Band
Brian Eno - Ambient 1
Brian Eno - Discreet Music
Bruce Springsteen
Buckingham Nicks
Chick Corea - Return to Forever
Crack the Sky - Crack the Sky
Crazy Horse
David Bowie
Donald Byrd
Dr. John - In the Right Place
Elton John
Elvis Costello
Faust
Fleetwood Mac
Frank Zappa - Joe's Garage Act I
Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay
Funkadelic - Free Your Mind...
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Gene Russell - New Direction
George Harrison - All Things Must Pass
Gil Scott-Hero - Pieces of a Man
Iggy Pop
Iggy Pop
Jackson 5 - Third Album
James Brown - Sex Machine
James Brown - The Payback
Jimmy Buffet
Jimmy Cliff - Goodbye Yesterday
John Prine
Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
Keith Jarrett - Treasure Island
Kraftwerk
Led Zeppelin
Madness - One Step Beyond
Marianne Faithfull - Broken English
Marvin Gaye - Let's Get it On
Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell
Michael Jackson - Off the Wall
Neil Young
New York Dolls
Nick Drake - Bryter Layter
Nick Drake - Pink Moon
Parlaiment - Mothership Connection
Paul McCartney - McCartney
Pink Floyd
Prince - Prince
Queen
Ramones
Randy Newman - 12 Songs
Rod Stewart - Gasoline Alley
Rolling Stones
Roxy Music
Rufus & Chaka Khan - Rags to Rufus
Rush - 2112
Rush - Hemispheres
Sly and the Family Stone
Squeeze
Steely Dan - Aja
Stevie Wonder
Stiff Little Fingers - Inflammable Material
Talking Heads
Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
The Band - Stage Fright
The Cars - The Cars
The Clash - London Calling
The Doors - Morrison Hotel
The Knack - Get the Knack
The Police - Outlandos D'Amour
The Tubes - Remote Control
The Velvet Underground
The Who
Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak
Tom Petty
Tom Waits - Closing Time
T-Rex
Van Halen - Van Halen
Warren Zevon
Weather Report - Black Market
Weather Report - Heavy Weather
Wings - Band on the Run
Wire - Pink Flag |
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