Seen any good movies recently?

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It's been a weird movie weekend.

[doso]

Jan 27, 2018 17:49:14 GMT -6 @tima said:

We watched the Post last night. Not awful, but terrible pacing. I also disagree on Spielberg's take that it was a story that needed to be told. Given Streeps speech prior to the release about how important the press is these days, I have to also disagree. If anything this made me long for the days when the press was on the side of the people, unlike today where it's just mostly dogshit bc of political donors and opinions.

So while this was a groundbreaking moment in history, the film was too little. It's Oscar nominations were politically motivated obviously, and I didn't find any of the acting anything special. The positives came from seeing so many wonderful TV stars outshine the A-listers. David Cross, Bob Odenkirk, Sarah Paulson, Carrie Coon, and Matthew Rhys were all great additions to the cast.

I also enjoyed the printing press shots, showing how a paper was printed. Very cool to see. Not a bad film, but definitely not Oscar worthy.

#JusticeForBladeRunner2049

I thought the film did a nice job removing some of the sheen from the idealized view that we sometimes hear about the press being (or having been) the voice of the people. They illustrated that the decision to publish was not just about "will this stand up in court?" but also the inherently conflicted relationship between Katharine Graham and Bob McNamara. Likewise, Ben Bradlee was called to task for his cozy relationship with JFK. I appreciated the point about how journalists need to manage a balance of developing relationships with sources while also keeping them at a certain distance (or not). 

Forgot to mention it in my brief review last week, but YES the newspaper production sequences may have been my favorite part of the movie. Astounding to think about the amount of detailed manual work that used to go into printing a daily paper.

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Hostiles was fine for what it was but entirely forgettable.

Clearly a movie released EOTY hoping for Oscars and nobody cared.

[monasterymonochrome]

Saw Call Me By Your Name last night, and while Chalamet and the Dad (whose name I don't remember) were excellent, I (and the rest of the group I was with) couldn't help but be put off by the age disparity between the two leads. I knew going in this would be the case, but Armie Hammer looked and acted way beyond the 24 that his character was supposed to be. A lot of what happened, including their phone call at the end - leading to that crushing credits scene - felt a bit like grooming. Am I off-based here? Did anyone else feel this way? I've since read some reviews and while some broach the topic, none really delve into it.

[venom]

yeah, i felt that way. it came across as an older gay man's fantasy world.

[wanny]

Jan 28, 2018 14:48:26 GMT -6 monasterymonochrome said:

Saw Call Me By Your Name last night, and while Chalamet and the Dad (whose name I don't remember) were excellent, I (and the rest of the group I was with) couldn't help but be put off by the age disparity between the two leads. I knew going in this would be the case, but Armie Hammer looked and acted way beyond the 24 that his character was supposed to be. A lot of what happened, including their phone call at the end - leading to that crushing credits scene - felt a bit like grooming. Am I off-based here? Did anyone else feel this way? I've since read some reviews and while some broach the topic, none really delve into it.

Nope thats exactly how I felt. I'd give it a 7/10, I don't get how it's so heavily praised. Armie feels like he's in his thirties and Tim seems like he's maybe 18-19. Everything about the relationship felt very awkward and not natural at all. If it wasn't for the dad, timothy, and a couple great scenes the movie would be pretty bad imo. The Sufjan songs were greatly used though

[ultravisitor]

The movie really is just liberal white fantasy. The characters are white, highly-educated, multi-lingual, wealthy, and living a bi-continental lifestyle, and there is essentially no complication with regards to the homosexuality. The Stuhlbarg speech at the end is the cherry on top, mirroring back the audience's feelings and essentially patting them back for the way they feel about gay people.

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Ditto all the comments above. When I pointed out the age disparity above to people who hadn’t seen the movie I was criticized for not understanding “age difference in the gay community and how hard it is.”

Like no, this was 100% a casting issue.

During production they also squabbled over the nudity on the film and eventually wrote out all full frontal nudity, which to me, made all the romance/sex scenes with the two men seem very staged and fakey.

The entire plot itself is just so absurd. What professor invited a grad student he barely knows to live with his family in their villa abroad for the entire summer? Due to Arnie’s age the whole “we knew you guys loved each other etc” thing to me just seemed creepy.

[ultravisitor]

I read that the director intentionally toned down the story because he wanted it to be able to appeal to families.

It's kinda funny. In the book, the 'Call me by your name...' moment comes while they're pounding each other, with Elio screaming obscenities louder and louder until Oliver says 'Call me by your name and I'll call you by mine' to each other and then they orgasm. In the movie, they're lying in bed, looking into each other's eyes, and whispering sweet nothings to each other.

[sick2b]

Weirdly, I don't recall hearing/reading anything about that movie when it came up last year.. Richard Gere is pretty fantastic in that one

[andrewvb]

Jan 28, 2018 14:48:26 GMT -6 monasterymonochrome said:

Saw Call Me By Your Name last night, and while Chalamet and the Dad (whose name I don't remember) were excellent, I (and the rest of the group I was with) couldn't help but be put off by the age disparity between the two leads. I knew going in this would be the case, but Armie Hammer looked and acted way beyond the 24 that his character was supposed to be. A lot of what happened, including their phone call at the end - leading to that crushing credits scene - felt a bit like grooming. Am I off-based here? Did anyone else feel this way? I've since read some reviews and while some broach the topic, none really delve into it.

didn't get this at all.

[irvred]

They make it a point to say Elio is 17 so the age difference was a little awkward to me. It is a very beautiful movie but I have to agree with a lot of the above posts.

[ultravisitor]

There is a gulf of experience between high school student and PhD student. I always wondered how in the world people were going to react to that.

Would this be celebrated if the high schooler were a girl or would people be screaming about it?

[andrewvb]

there are lots of celebrated movies about girls dating older guys, much older than oliver.

[irvred]

There are but the girl's dad doesn't come out at the end and go 'Man it was so beautiful the things you did with that man twice your age.'

[irvred]

I don't even want to make it about gender. It really is just the age thing. Elio is acting on emotions he is only just coming to understand. His inexperience and youth is a defining trait. Oliver, though, should know better.

[andrewvb]

Jan 28, 2018 18:45:51 GMT -6 irvred said:

There are but the girl's dad doesn't come out at the end and go 'Man it was so beautiful the things you did with that man twice your age.'

....oliver was like less than 10 years older than him I'm assuming.

[thebosma]

Has anyone seen Long Strange Trip? I feel like it will be a positive experience based on how much I love the Grateful Dead but I was curious as to what others thought of it.

I saw The Shape of Water today and loved it. Sally Hawkins def deserves that Oscar.

[irvred]

Ok but if I fucked a 17 year old no one in their right mind should celebrate that.

I really like this film. I do not think the audience is supposed to be 100% on board with Elio and Oliver being together but it seems like a lot of people are.

[ultravisitor]

Jan 28, 2018 19:03:32 GMT -6 irvred said:

Ok but if I fucked a 17 year old no one in their right mind should celebrate that.

I really like this film. I do not think the audience is supposed to be 100% on board with Elio and Oliver being together but it seems like a lot of people are.

Isn't the audience supposed to be okay with it, though? I thought that was kinda the point of the father's speech at the end.

I had a 26 year old friend who dated a 16 year old guy. He was embarrassed to tell us about the relationship when it was starting up (and he definitely heard opinions about it). It was gross and ended up lasting two years.

[alady]

Jan 28, 2018 18:57:54 GMT -6 thebosma said:

Has anyone seen Long Strange Trip? I feel like it will be a positive experience based on how much I love the Grateful Dead but I was curious as to what others thought of it.

I saw The Shape of Water today and loved it. Sally Hawkins def deserves that Oscar.

I watched the first episode but kind of dozed off. I do want to get to it eventually.

[ultravisitor]

relevant to the discussion of CMBYN and grooming:

www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/01/25/call-your-name-dishonest-dangerous-film/I7urrCBxwZYrfPTT7eycdM/story.html

As a 15-year-old scholarship student starting at Choate Rosemary Hall in 1989, I liked to think of myself as an autonomous adult. But like Elio, sprawling across his parents’ laps on a rainy afternoon, I was not.

That first year at Choate, I met Angus Mairs, my math teacher and dorm adviser. We all went to Mr. Mairs for math help, but somehow “math help” turned into personal discussions. Mr. Mairs pried and probed into my personal details until I revealed to him that a family member had sexually abused me throughout my childhood. Instead of making a prompt report to Child Welfare, Mr. Mairs used that information to pose as my protector and savior.

Over and over, he would ask me, “What are you thinking about?” It might seem like an innocent question, but it wasn’t. He wanted access to my most personal thoughts and feelings — and if I wanted his approval, I had to hand them over.

It was a gut punch to watch Oliver and Elio have nearly the same exchange. When Elio refuses to tell Oliver what he is thinking about because “it’s private,” Oliver withdraws his approval. “I guess I’ll go hang out with your mom,” he says, and walks away.

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Jan 29, 2018 11:41:07 GMT -6 ultravisitor said:

relevant to the discussion of CMBYN and grooming:

www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/01/25/call-your-name-dishonest-dangerous-film/I7urrCBxwZYrfPTT7eycdM/story.html

As a 15-year-old scholarship student starting at Choate Rosemary Hall in 1989, I liked to think of myself as an autonomous adult. But like Elio, sprawling across his parents’ laps on a rainy afternoon, I was not.

That first year at Choate, I met Angus Mairs, my math teacher and dorm adviser. We all went to Mr. Mairs for math help, but somehow “math help” turned into personal discussions. Mr. Mairs pried and probed into my personal details until I revealed to him that a family member had sexually abused me throughout my childhood. Instead of making a prompt report to Child Welfare, Mr. Mairs used that information to pose as my protector and savior.

Over and over, he would ask me, “What are you thinking about?” It might seem like an innocent question, but it wasn’t. He wanted access to my most personal thoughts and feelings — and if I wanted his approval, I had to hand them over.

It was a gut punch to watch Oliver and Elio have nearly the same exchange. When Elio refuses to tell Oliver what he is thinking about because “it’s private,” Oliver withdraws his approval. “I guess I’ll go hang out with your mom,” he says, and walks away.

Yep, basically the exact issue I had with the film and mentioned to people who asked me about it. I was criticized, by straight people, for not being understanding of the difficulties of LGBTQ individuals finding partners.

I’m really sick of this mentality where if you take issue with something that involves race or LGBTQ individuals you’re somehow a racist or a homophobe. Like no, I just think it’s a creepy mediocre movie with poor casting.

FFS the book was written by a straight man.

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this was really great and nice to see people focus on not just Blackstar but The Next Day, which i feel got swept under the rug after his death and everyone just focused on the opus albums of the 70's and 80's and then went straight to the farewell album.

[ultravisitor]

Jan 29, 2018 12:01:48 GMT -6 @bitteorca said:

Jan 29, 2018 11:41:07 GMT -6 ultravisitor said:

relevant to the discussion of CMBYN and grooming:

www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/01/25/call-your-name-dishonest-dangerous-film/I7urrCBxwZYrfPTT7eycdM/story.html

Yep, basically the exact issue I had with the film and mentioned to people who asked me about it. I was criticized, by straight people, for not being understanding of the difficulties of LGBTQ individuals finding partners.

I’m really sick of this mentality where if you take issue with something that involves race or LGBTQ individuals you’re somehow a racist or a homophobe. Like no, I just think it’s a creepy mediocre movie with poor casting.

FFS the book was written by a straight man.

So...straight people need to understand that gay people have to resort to abuse because being gay is hard? Are these people listening to themselves?

#progress

[concertgoer]

Jan 28, 2018 18:45:51 GMT -6 irvred said:

There are but the girl's dad doesn't come out at the end and go 'Man it was so beautiful the things you did with that man twice your age.'

He was a grad student right? So he wasn’t twice his age

[irvred]

Okay guys sorry I exaggerated. Yes Oliver is a grad student but Elio is the equivalent of a high school junior.

[concertgoer]

It seems like some of you are coming at this movie from a 2018 perspective. It took place in 1983 in Europe and Elio’s parents were obviously very open and understanding when it came to his sexuality. I didn’t find the film to be creepy at all.

[neader]

I'm going to try and find a better stream tonight so I can jump into this conversation.

Let me just say, from the 20 minutes I saw it sounds like I was watching a completely different movie.

[irvred]

Never change neader