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Post by thebosma on Mar 12, 2019 8:52:47 GMT -6
I might hate it because people keep referring to it as a “political thriller” which makes me want to lose my fucking mind. i think Timbo said it's pratically an espionage movie which i'd say is fair you just kinda need to see the first Capt to follow some of the SHIELD and Bucky backstory but otherwise on its own Winter Soldier can basically be a more fun Bourne ripoff Look I originally thought I had wandered into the movie thread not the avengers movie thread and I clearly do not belong here so I’m gonna let it be and let people enjoy things. |
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 8:56:12 GMT -6
i think Timbo said it's pratically an espionage movie which i'd say is fair you just kinda need to see the first Capt to follow some of the SHIELD and Bucky backstory but otherwise on its own Winter Soldier can basically be a more fun Bourne ripoff Look I originally thought I had wandered into the movie thread not the avengers movie thread and I clearly do not belong here so I’m gonna let it be and let people enjoy things. NOPE YOU'RE TRAPPED HERE NOW WELCOME TO THE QUANTUM REALM |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 8:59:42 GMT -6
i think Timbo said it's pratically an espionage movie which i'd say is fair you just kinda need to see the first Capt to follow some of the SHIELD and Bucky backstory but otherwise on its own Winter Soldier can basically be a more fun Bourne ripoff Look I originally thought I had wandered into the movie thread not the avengers movie thread and I clearly do not belong here so I’m gonna let it be and let people enjoy things. haha im welcome to hear your take on it i just dont agree that it's a huge misnomer to call that specific marvel film a bit of a thriller or spy movie or whatever it's definitely not a bond or MI movie but compared to anything else in the mcu...  |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Mar 12, 2019 9:20:06 GMT -6
Hold up, important, am I gonna need to watch other movies as a prerequisite for winter soldier? Automatic dealbreaker.
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 9:23:11 GMT -6
If you have even a passing knowledge of basic Avengers characters, not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:24:10 GMT -6
Sequels are usually a continuation of the previous entry's story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:25:09 GMT -6
Hold up, important, am I gonna need to watch other movies as a prerequisite for winter soldier? Automatic dealbreaker. i dunno how Winter Soldier will work without having seen the first Captain America but i guess you could try it lol idk without knowing more about the creation of SHIELD and Hydra and some of the characters i think a lot of the plot will, certainly still make sense, but probably have virtually no weight to it. |
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 9:27:25 GMT -6
Sequels are usually a continuation of the previous entry's story. It's honestly way more of a sequel to Avengers than the first Cap film at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:28:12 GMT -6
If you have even a passing knowledge of basic Avengers characters, not at all. this is kind of a leap cause i definitely couldnt have told you a damn thing about black widow, hawkeye, falcon, or the titular character without some background knowledge from the first Avengers, Capt 1, Thor 1, and the Iron Man movies |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:29:00 GMT -6
Sequels are usually a continuation of the previous entry's story. It's honestly way more of a sequel to Avengers than the first Cap film at all. this is probably v true same with how Civil War feels more like an Avengers 2.5 than it does Captain America 3 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:29:19 GMT -6
Sequels are usually a continuation of the previous entry's story. It's honestly way more of a sequel to Avengers than the first Cap film at all. I mean... the characters present in Winter Soldier are established in the First Avenger. A1 is for sure relevant to this story, but I'd put FA above it as far as importance. |
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 9:32:51 GMT -6
Alright, chvrchbarrel, guinea pig time, watch it standalone and tell us how lost you are, I've got pride on the line now. |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Mar 12, 2019 9:38:01 GMT -6
Sequels are usually a continuation of the previous entry's story. You might miss a little bit of thematic stuff if you never saw Batman '89, but that wouldn't make Batman Returns difficult to watch or understand at all. You could say the same about a lot of the "best" classic superhero movies, outside the recent Marvel universe. I guess that's what steers me away from it - the thought of constantly having to keep up / know shit / remember plot lines just to go sit in a superhero movie for 2 hours once a year or something. Alright, chvrchbarrel , guinea pig time, watch it standalone and tell us how lost you are, I've got pride on the line now. 100% doing this |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:43:40 GMT -6
comparing the Burton/Schumacher Batmans to the MCU is a kind of hot tea that im DYING to sip on
plz proceed
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Mar 12, 2019 9:49:09 GMT -6
comparing the Burton/Schumacher Batmans to the MCU is a kind of hot tea that im DYING to sip on plz proceed They all have superheroes!!!! Something or someone needs to be saved, and the heroes have so much internal conflict, because even though they're better than everyone else in some regards, they're still human and flawed. Honestly the only major difference I ever really see in these is budget. Batman '89 was made for 48mil, which is about 98mil adjusted for inflation. These Marvel movies are being made for 140-220mil. |
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 9:50:29 GMT -6
comparing the Burton/Schumacher Batmans to the MCU is a kind of hot tea that im DYING to sip on plz proceed They all have superheroes!!!! Something or someone needs to be saved, and the heroes have so much internal conflict, because even though they're better than everyone else in some regards, they're still human and flawed. Honestly the only major difference I ever really see in these is budget. Batman '89 was made for 48mil, which is about 98mil adjusted for inflation. These Marvel movies are being made for 140-220mil. WowwwwwwwwwwwwwWWWWW way to comPLETELY ignore THOR AND Avengers: Rise of Ultron |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Mar 12, 2019 9:50:45 GMT -6
I will concede it is pointless to compare the budget of a Tim Burton Batman movie to something like The Avengers, but I will not concede that the '89 Batman is one of the cornerstones of superhero/comic book movies that is rarely touched in terms of quality.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 9:52:35 GMT -6
ftr i love the first Burton Batman movie and was not throwing shade in any way.
was kinda kidding but also im slightly curious to see what comparisons people could draw from early comic book movies to the present MCU and DC extended universes
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Mar 12, 2019 9:59:23 GMT -6
ftr i love the first Burton Batman movie and was not throwing shade in any way. was kinda kidding but also im slightly curious to see what comparisons people could draw from early comic book movies to the present MCU and DC extended universes Oh I didn't take it that way, don't worry I'm sitting here trying to figure out what it is I like about the older ones and why I don't like the newer ones as much and I just can't figure it out really. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:07:30 GMT -6
Well I think for starters, looking specifically at the Batman movies, they have more personable stories. One thing the MCU and X-Men franchises have overdone is the super villain who quests for world domination/destruction thing, often times lacking concrete motive - not that the Joker has a better motive, but his chaos is on a smaller scale, just like the movie and it seems more realistic - relatively speaking. It's also nostalgic. Probably watched those when you were a kid I'm guessing. MCU stuff is also overhyped a lot by fanbois like me.
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Mar 12, 2019 10:20:55 GMT -6
Well I think for starters, looking specifically at the Batman movies, they have more personable stories. One thing the MCU and X-Men franchises have overdone is the super villain who quests for world domination/destruction thing, often times lacking concrete motive - not that the Joker has a better motive, but his chaos is on a smaller scale, just like the movie and it seems more realistic - relatively speaking. It's also nostalgic. Probably watched those when you were a kid I'm guessing. MCU stuff is also overhyped a lot by fanbois like me. Bingo. |
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 10:23:55 GMT -6
I mean, let's not pretend like the villains of Ant-Man have been the high point of those movies though.
Marvel's just bad at villains generally. They've only managed two decent ones in how many movies?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:29:08 GMT -6
I also think that you don't like fun.
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 10:30:03 GMT -6
I am the funnest darn person on this whole darn board!
Have you seen my facebook during Riot Fest?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:35:12 GMT -6
omg it was in response to chvrchbarrel you drama queen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 10:37:51 GMT -6
I mean, let's not pretend like the villains of Ant-Man have been the high point of those movies though. Marvel's just bad at villains generally. They've only managed two decent ones in how many movies? X-Men and Spiderman universes have all of the interesting Marvel villains. Only other good Marvel villain was from the first season of Jessica Jones. |
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Post by teekoh on Mar 12, 2019 10:54:40 GMT -6
Good MCU villains (in order of appearance, in my mind) - Wilson Fisk, Iron Man 1, Loki, Kilgrave, Thanos, Hela, Vulture, Killmonger, Winter Soldier
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Post by Xamnam on Mar 12, 2019 10:58:15 GMT -6
Good MCU villains (in order of appearance, in my mind) - Wilson Fisk, Iron Man 1, Loki, Kilgrave, Thanos, Hela, Vulture, Killmonger, Winter Soldier Why shoot your credibility like this when everyone else at least has a decent argument for them? |
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Post by teekoh on Mar 12, 2019 11:05:23 GMT -6
I figured there would be an argument against her, but I honestly don't get it. Extremely powerful, single-minded and motivated, undone by their own ambition. Everything you could ask for!
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Post by irvred on Mar 12, 2019 11:08:16 GMT -6
Being played by Emo Cate Blanchett automatically puts Hela in the Top 5, but it is an admittedly low bar.
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