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Post by andrewvb on Aug 29, 2021 14:28:40 GMT -6
This is good. It's not as good as anything TLOP or before, but definitely better than Ye and KSG imo. Don't think we can say he is "back" to his old level of making music but it's definitely a step in the right direction. Still a little bit more Christian than I would have liked but I am enjoying this a lot. Come to Life is an early favorite. oh so now you want him huh |
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Post by munkivelli on Aug 29, 2021 14:31:32 GMT -6
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Post by neader on Aug 29, 2021 14:35:31 GMT -6
This is good. It's not as good as anything TLOP or before, but definitely better than Ye and KSG imo. Don't think we can say he is "back" to his old level of making music but it's definitely a step in the right direction. Still a little bit more Christian than I would have liked but I am enjoying this a lot. Come to Life is an early favorite. oh so now you want him huh tell me if you know someone that needs jesus lord |
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Post by dij22 on Aug 29, 2021 19:55:41 GMT -6
Just finished my first listen. It's basically a worse version of TLOP.
Highs are still absurdly high. Lows aren't terribly egregious, just boring, and Kanye has rarely ever been boring.
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Post by munkivelli on Aug 29, 2021 21:17:30 GMT -6
Just finished my first listen. It's basically a worse version of TLOP. Highs are still absurdly high. Lows aren't terribly egregious, just boring, and Kanye has rarely ever been boring. Trimming an hour would have helped tighten things up a bit. |
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Post by krentist on Aug 29, 2021 22:31:59 GMT -6
Honestly DaBaby verse goes harder than Jay's so Kanye has a point the label should've waited for Jail 2.
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Aug 30, 2021 7:49:47 GMT -6
That’s an awfully low Yeezus placement lol Yeezus used to be my #2 actually - it’s not that I don’t like it anymore, I’ve just gotten more replay value in the last few years out of TLOP and revisiting Graduation (which used to be near the bottom for me). Still great! Just has more weak points now than others |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Aug 30, 2021 7:52:16 GMT -6
tlop yeezus donda mbdtf jesus is king ksg cd grad lr ye Simply have to respect a take this wild |
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Post by mookie on Aug 30, 2021 9:17:34 GMT -6
Just finished my first listen. It's basically a worse version of TLOP. Highs are still absurdly high. Lows aren't terribly egregious, just boring, and Kanye has rarely ever been boring. Trimming an hour would have helped tighten things up a bit. I thought this post was a joke before I looked at the actual running time of the album |
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Post by krentist on Aug 30, 2021 9:25:21 GMT -6
tlop yeezus donda mbdtf jesus is king ksg cd grad lr ye Where is 808s |
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Post by wanny on Aug 30, 2021 9:29:13 GMT -6
I think the album would be a lot better if it removed.
Junya
The The Vision
Lord I need You
I don't really consider the V2s as part of the album, more like bonus tracks.
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Post by andrewvb on Aug 30, 2021 9:41:48 GMT -6
damn wanny, junya bangs
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Post by mookie on Aug 30, 2021 9:49:29 GMT -6
Based off the first listen for me
Yeezus
MBDTF
808s
Graduation
LR
TLOP
Donda
CD
KSG
Ye
JIK
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Post by Tweet on Aug 30, 2021 9:51:41 GMT -6
Looking forward to getting to this early this evening and telling some of y'all your takes are ass. Who's it gonna be? Who is it gonna be....
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Post by wanny on Aug 30, 2021 10:04:55 GMT -6
I don't think it's a bad song. Just think it has a hard time fitting in and adds to the length |
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Post by neader on Aug 30, 2021 10:09:42 GMT -6
Based off the first listen for me Yeezus MBDTF 808s TLOPGraduation LR TLOPDonda CD KSG Ye JIK hmmm |
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Post by mookie on Aug 30, 2021 10:19:34 GMT -6
Based off the first listen for me Yeezus MBDTF 808s TLOPGraduation LR TLOPDonda CD KSG Ye JIK hmmm Whoops.. The spot after LR is correct for me |
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Post by goodson on Aug 30, 2021 11:35:58 GMT -6
tlop yeezus donda mbdtf jesus is king ksg cd grad lr ye Where is 808s ..... below jesus is king : - ) |
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Post by krentist on Aug 30, 2021 11:38:31 GMT -6
this guy's twisted!!!!!
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Post by wanny on Aug 30, 2021 11:40:41 GMT -6
Gotta respect it
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Post by neader on Aug 30, 2021 11:48:14 GMT -6
This is getting better on every listen
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Post by Kamera on Aug 30, 2021 12:34:19 GMT -6
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Post by goodson on Aug 30, 2021 14:44:36 GMT -6
tlop yeezus donda mbdtf jesus is king ksg cd grad lr ye Simply have to respect a take this wild i guess i'll say a little more about this i think this is one of his best albums, and that he addresses the past 5 years of darkness on it constantly and in a beautiful way. reminds me a lot of spiritualized, where the the music as a whole, down to the production, is a desperate plea for forgiveness from the universe. but i can see why people are dismissing it, it doesn't present itself in a conventional way - i think for me what i love about the last few albums is that shaggyness, the presentation of raw form filled with beautiful moments that must be extracted - i think it's really special and to me something that resonates much more than the polished aspects of early albums musically though i can see how people that didn't like tlop as much as his earlier work would dislike the production on donda, especially more forward thinking moments like on "pure souls" when there's 808 kicks and bass guitar at the same time. the futuristic balladry of "come to life", or the very modern drill beat of something like "off the grid" is a new format that might feel uncomfortable to listeners wanting something more like his old work |
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Post by joeposh on Aug 30, 2021 20:00:39 GMT -6
I am really, really into the 2nd half of this album (and I don't count the Part 2's in that). Pretty much from "Heaven and Hell" onward it turns into a more personal reckoning with loss and family, but I understand why it's hard to fully experience that when the first half of the album is so all over the place.
If they plan to ever release this to retail, they'll need to slim it down and rework some things for obvious reasons. I hope they take that chance to consider the sequencing and transitions in this album, and maybe leave this current iteration (with possible mastering/production changes) as a "digital deluxe" of sorts.
I consider this to be leagues ahead of JiK and Ye, and could be his best since Yeezus. I think there is a lot of revisionist history on TLOP. It's highs are great, production is brilliant at points but it's a total grab bag riddled with weird choices that don't land and lazy/cringey lyrics -- still made for an incredible tour and a couple of top tier Kanye tracks.
As goodson mentioned, I think in addition to the people who have just given up on Kanye after years of antics and offensive choices (understandable), there are a lot of people who just never got on board with his sound post-Graduation. The chipmunk soul samples and crossover singles are basically long gone, and if you skim the production on the first few songs, that may be be enough to check out on the record (though "Believe What I Say" is probably the closet thing to that sound since "Bound 2"). It's a shame, because this is some of his best rapping and most introspective work in a decade.
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Post by goodson on Aug 31, 2021 4:53:20 GMT -6
some more thoughts as i live with this album, i'm sure i'll have more:
- i was worried that the studio recordings would lose the blown out, stadium speakers quality of the listening party. thank god it's still there, max volume and ready to rip
- the influence of carti as a collaborator is underreported imo - he's on the album a couple times, but to me he has had such a dramatic influence on the way kanye uses his voice as a vocal tool for melody; the vocal drumming on "heaven and hell" or the repetitive phrases on "junya" are straight from carti, and allow him to use his voice as interior part of the overall soundscape instead of simply rapping/singing on top of it
- i think one of the main reasons i feel that the post- mbdtf work is his greatest is that his true skill as a curator and collaborator comes to the forefront. kanye's greatest skill, to me, is taking the sounds of the moment and synthesizing them into something uniquely his own - the way he used chicago trap sounds on "yeezus" for example. i was worried when he began to incorporate gospel elements, and yet he has been able to combine his own interests with the trends and artists of the moment - using someone like roddy rich over an organ and choir is incredible to me, and a major step up from the gospel sounds he explored on JIK
- continuing with the evolution from JIK, to me this feels like the album where kanye really realized how to use the choir to his advantage.
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Post by isyourbedmade on Aug 31, 2021 5:20:54 GMT -6
Man, Fork gave the Peppa Pig album a better score than Donda. I agree with some of you guys, his best work since MBDTF.
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Post by scoots on Sept 1, 2021 9:58:55 GMT -6
Feels more like a stream of consciousness mixtape than a complete album, but it has plenty of highlights. Off the Grid is damn close to peak Kanye.
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Post by goodson on Sept 1, 2021 16:43:01 GMT -6
"Typically, musicians keep listeners walled off from their process (at least until the 50th anniversary boxed set), but West has been contending that the assembly is part of the art. Not sure which version of a song is better? Include both, as West does with four different titles here. Not sure if your album is complete? Play it for fans and get feedback in real time. (Online chatter suggested he was paying attention to fan reactions to help shape what he would tweak or adjust.)"
"Once a wordplay-obsessed, self-aware lyricist, West has shifted in the last decade to a more terse and immediate approach, one that complements his musical shifts toward the industrial and the spiritual. His late-period music makes a trade-off between complexity and directness. His songs pound and annihilate now. They’re corporeal studies of psychological hurt."
the jon caramanica piece in the times is really great, one of the few bits of writing that i've seen actually interested in discussing the music
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Post by wanny on Sept 28, 2021 17:44:31 GMT -6
Kanye made some changes to Donda. Removed Chris Brown from New Again and Kacey from Keep my spirit alive with his own vocals.
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Post by scoots on Oct 19, 2021 12:55:20 GMT -6
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