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Post by dij22 on Jul 6, 2019 12:45:07 GMT -6
Should be a fun season for everyone but the Bulls
Coby White, Otto Porter, and picks for Russell Westbrook plz
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Post by goodson on Jul 6, 2019 13:35:22 GMT -6
Should be a fun season for everyone but the Bulls Coby White, Otto Porter, and picks for Russell Westbrook plz what the fuck even is this |
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Post by llamaoftime on Jul 6, 2019 13:36:34 GMT -6
The West is gonna be wild. I actually have a feeling the Lakers are going to feel that lack of depth. My early West predictions (I'll look closer at the East later)
1. Clippers
2. Jazz
3. Rockets
4. Nuggets
5. Lakers
6. Warriors
7. Trail Blazers
8. Spurs
I think that 8th spot is a hard battle between the Spurs, Mavs, Kings, and Pelicans though. And I feel confident in that top 7 right now but an injury could knock anyone off
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Post by goodson on Jul 6, 2019 13:36:49 GMT -6
love to trade our promising rookie and a good forward on a solid contract to watch westbrook shoot 200 times and get paid 500 million dollars a year
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Post by goodson on Jul 6, 2019 13:37:49 GMT -6
The West is gonna be wild. I actually have a feeling the Lakers are going to feel that lack of depth. My early West predictions (I'll look closer at the East later) 1. Clippers 2. Jazz 3. Rockets 4. Nuggets 5. Lakers 6. Warriors 7. Trail Blazers 8. Spurs I think that 8th spot is a hard battle between the Spurs, Mavs, Kings, and Pelicans though. And I feel confident in that top 7 right now but an injury could knock anyone off this looks about right, i think i'd have the jazz at 1 and maybe the nuggets moving up above the rockets |
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Post by llamaoftime on Jul 6, 2019 13:45:28 GMT -6
love to trade our promising rookie and a good forward on a solid contract to watch westbrook shoot 200 times and get paid 500 million dollars a year I know 3 and D guys are pretty expensive nowadays but I would not call that Otto Porter contract good. |
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Post by llamaoftime on Jul 6, 2019 14:07:19 GMT -6
Lakers just signed Boogie too. Ugh, that might help.
I know he looked bad in the finals, but another full off-season of recovery will probably help, and he showed flashes during the season. If he recovers decently that could be a scary addition. At the least, low risk/high reward for them
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Post by sthubbins on Jul 6, 2019 14:44:26 GMT -6
Kawhi probably won't ever again play enough in the regular season to win an MVP, right?
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Post by dij22 on Jul 6, 2019 15:24:35 GMT -6
Should be a fun season for everyone but the Bulls Coby White, Otto Porter, and picks for Russell Westbrook plz what the fuck even is this Call me crazy but I would like to win 48 games the next couple years instead of 34. |
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Post by dij22 on Jul 6, 2019 15:25:02 GMT -6
Also Coby White is a legit horrible player
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Post by Tweet on Jul 6, 2019 16:57:32 GMT -6
Cross post since who knew:
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Post by Tweet on Jul 6, 2019 16:58:21 GMT -6
love to trade our promising rookie and a good forward on a solid contract to watch westbrook shoot 200 times and get paid 500 million dollars a year Pretty much this |
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Post by borracho on Jul 6, 2019 17:08:28 GMT -6
guys trust me after having him on my team and watching russ his whole career he’s super fun and aggravating and mindblowing and crazy and infuriating to watch usually all in the same game. seriously would hate to see him leave okc - he saved the team by re-upping when kd the snake left town.
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Post by goodson on Jul 6, 2019 17:12:43 GMT -6
what the fuck even is this Call me crazy but I would like to win 48 games the next couple years instead of 34. oh yes, the 48 game winning team consisting of westbrook and.... *checks notes* zach lavine? denzel valentine? cristiano felicio??? garpax made good moves for the first time in 1000 years, but maybe we can sign amare stoudemire to a supermax too huh!!!!! |
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Post by sthubbins on Jul 6, 2019 17:16:31 GMT -6
trading for russ makes no sense for a rebuilding team
put him in miami
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Post by dij22 on Jul 6, 2019 17:28:23 GMT -6
Call me crazy but I would like to win 48 games the next couple years instead of 34. oh yes, the 48 game winning team consisting of westbrook and.... *checks notes* zach lavine? denzel valentine? cristiano felicio??? garpax made good moves for the first time in 1000 years, but maybe we can sign amare stoudemire to a supermax too huh!!!!! Conveniently leaving out Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter is a weird way to make this point. Serious question: how many wins do you think this lineup would get? Westbrook/LaVine/Thad Young/Lauri/Carter with Satoransky/Hutchison/Valentine/extra trash |
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Post by goodson on Jul 6, 2019 18:23:22 GMT -6
oh yes, the 48 game winning team consisting of westbrook and.... *checks notes* zach lavine? denzel valentine? cristiano felicio??? garpax made good moves for the first time in 1000 years, but maybe we can sign amare stoudemire to a supermax too huh!!!!! Conveniently leaving out Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter is a weird way to make this point. Serious question: how many wins do you think this lineup would get? Westbrook/LaVine/Thad Young/Lauri/Carter with Satoransky/Hutchison/Valentine/extra trash like, 30 you think thad young and westbrook gives you 26 more wins? LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 19:15:07 GMT -6
oh yes, the 48 game winning team consisting of westbrook and.... *checks notes* zach lavine? denzel valentine? cristiano felicio??? garpax made good moves for the first time in 1000 years, but maybe we can sign amare stoudemire to a supermax too huh!!!!! Conveniently leaving out Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter is a weird way to make this point. You’ve been shitting on Markkanen since he was drafted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 19:25:19 GMT -6
Also I think the Bulls can win 35-40 with the roster as currently constructed and would definitely go in for a beer bet if anyone was interested in going lower than that. They definitely need a superstar on this team and that's what pisses me off about the 3 year deals, because this is about as good as they get until those deals expire unless some creative trades are made.
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Post by goodson on Jul 6, 2019 19:30:15 GMT -6
i'll go under 37 on a bet with you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 19:44:34 GMT -6
Let's do it.
I just want to point out I hate GarPax, but the moves they made this year definitely strengthened the roster, and I disagree with Dij that Coby White is shit. Plus most of last year was played without the full rotation. There's talent on this team, but not enough to do any damage. 35-40 wins is a reasonable projection. I'll take the upper part of that bet.
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Post by goodson on Jul 6, 2019 20:04:00 GMT -6
i hope i'm wrong!!! the team seems like they will be really fun this year
santoransky and young are steals on their contract
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Post by Tweet on Jul 6, 2019 21:53:32 GMT -6
Bulls will be the 7th or 8th seed and get blown out in 5 games in the first round
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 8:24:46 GMT -6
"Should be a fun season for everyone but the Bulls" "put him in miami"  |
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 7, 2019 9:02:01 GMT -6
I'm reserving judgement on Coby White until he actually plays games in the NBA.
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Post by dij22 on Jul 7, 2019 12:21:47 GMT -6
Conveniently leaving out Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter is a weird way to make this point. Serious question: how many wins do you think this lineup would get? Westbrook/LaVine/Thad Young/Lauri/Carter with Satoransky/Hutchison/Valentine/extra trash like, 30 you think thad young and westbrook gives you 26 more wins? LOL The team was actively tanking for nearly a month at the end of the season, and Wendell Carter missed about half the year. The true talent level of last year's team was probably closer to 30 wins than 22. According to Estimated Wins Added, Westbrook (13.3 EWA, 5th among PG last year) is worth 12 more wins a season than Kris Dunn. Satoransky is worth about 4 more wins a season than the replacement level back up guards like Arcadiacano, Blakeney, Selden, etc. Otto Porter's EWA extrapolated over a full season would have been the same as Thad Young's. So right there is another 16 wins. Last year Lauri ranked 17th among PF in EWA. If he increases by 2.0, that would make him 10th. Last year, Carter's EWA extrapolated over a full season would have ranked him around 30th next to Robin Lopez. If he increases by 3.0, that would put him in the top 20. There's another 5 wins that can be reasonably expected based on natural improvement from young players. That's 21 wins, and that's not factoring in a.) how LaVine likely would be better/more efficient playing off ball more, b.) any production whatsoever from guys like Hutchison/Valentine. I think your evaluation of Westbrook as an albatross contract like Amare/John Wall is just silly and not based in reality. Obviously he's not an MVP candidate/1st team All-NBA type anymore, but he is objectively still an extremely valuable player who would make this Bulls team significantly better. |
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Post by dij22 on Jul 7, 2019 12:28:48 GMT -6
Conveniently leaving out Lauri Markkanen and Wendell Carter is a weird way to make this point. You’ve been shitting on Markkanen since he was drafted. I think I've been pretty consistent in saying that he's an absolutely useless player to build around (especially when paired with another defensive zero in LaVine). But I think he can be useful as a 4th/5th guy on a contender. As you said above, this team definitely needs a star. But this team isn't getting a true superstar without giving up Markkanen and Carter (they were uninterested in trading that package for Anthony Davis). So if the team is a.) capped out, b.) unwilling to trade its best young players for a top 5 player, and c.) unwilling to trade guys like Porter/White to add a star to the Markkanen/Carter/LaVine core, my question is this: what is this team's route to true contention outside of hoping Lauri becomes a 1st team All-NBA player? |
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Post by sthubbins on Jul 7, 2019 13:11:30 GMT -6
Bulls adding Westbrook would be jostling for the 8 seed.
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Post by dij22 on Jul 7, 2019 14:24:24 GMT -6
Bulls adding Westbrook would be jostling for the 8 seed. Let's say this is true. I just don't see this as a bad thing, since they can accelerate the rebuild and see how Lauri/Carter/LaVine do in games that actually matter. The Bulls will have to offer Lauri the max after the 2020-2021 season; shouldn't they want to see him get as many playoff reps before then to see if this is a player actually worth building around? The current iteration of the Bulls roster might be a playoff team in two years, but then what do they have? Lauri on a max contract, a ton of cap space, and hope that Bradley Beal or Paul George wants to sign here? I think it all boils down to this: other than Westbrook, how many other opportunities will the Bulls have in the next couple years to add a player better than Lauri/LaVine/Carter without having to give up any of those three? |
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 7, 2019 14:36:08 GMT -6
This is a serious question, is it really already foregone conclusion that Lauri is going to get the max after his rookie deal expires?
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