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Post by ultravisitor on May 5, 2019 20:37:08 GMT -6
Well, I knew that giant crossbow would come in handy.
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Post by Pale Hose on May 5, 2019 20:48:39 GMT -6
I did not see them killing off Rhagal like that. I guess they did it to even the playing field, but there's no way Euron should have been that proficient with the Scorpion. |
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Post by regionrat6337 on May 5, 2019 21:26:00 GMT -6
That was one of my favorite episodes of tv ever. Wow
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Post by neader on May 5, 2019 21:37:05 GMT -6
They are pushing the idea of Dany being a tyrant way too much. Her whole story has been one of knowing what it's like to being a slave and being abused and being a victim of tyranny and oaths. For her to suddenly become the "Mad Queen" feels extremely disingenuous to me. I get that she's fucked up and there are signs but the writers seem to be highlighting that and ignoring everything else she's done and overcome to fit a specific narrative and that is extremely aggravating and frustrating. Rhageal's death, though predictable, seemed very anticlimatic. That last scene was perfect in every way though. At the cost of sounding like a broken record, we need more time to flesh out all of these developments. They're aggressively pushing new narratives on us that I am extremely skeptical they will have time to fully pay off or flesh out. Despite the fact that they're trying to paint Dany was this conqueror I am skeptical that is what she will do in the end, but I'm concerned her moment of redemption won't have the build up or payoff it deserves given the amount of time we have left and all that needs to occur. Also felt very strange that they pretty much never mentioned the army of the dead throughout the entire episode??? Like you just killed an army of dead people and they're just like "OK let's move on and get this bitch!" edit: I am also think it's extremely out of character for Cersei to let them all walk away at the end. She's shown with Baelor that she has no qualms killing her enemies when they are defenseless and not expecting it. For her to have all those scorpions, Drogon, and her enemy queen and her hand in her sight and easy to kill and not do anything doesn't seem like the Cersei we know. |
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Post by llamaoftime on May 5, 2019 23:41:03 GMT -6
I enjoyed that episode maybe the most of this season so far but it still suffered from a lot of the writing problems that have plagued it and overall was just kind of ok.
We only have two episodes left. I'm starting to think this season is just gonna be a huge disappointment unless they really then things around in the last two
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 6:22:04 GMT -6
Can we take a minute and address just how Bran just looks like a part of the set now? The dinner table scene had everyone eating and drinking and talking but first there's this wheelchair statue at the end just staring off into space.
I know he's all emotionless and stuff but c'mon. Still would like to know how he's getting around Winterfell since there are no ramps and I've only seen one person actually help him. Its like the directors have created a Wheres Bran? Book and you drink everytime you see him just hanging out in a scene doing nothing.
Anyway, okay episode with more lazy writing. Agreed with neader, this hard push for Dany to be a ruthless bitch isn't coming across organically, but very forced.
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Post by concertgoer on May 6, 2019 6:45:36 GMT -6
I really liked the episode, but I’m also not feeling the direction they are going with Dany.
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Post by Pale Hose on May 6, 2019 7:04:33 GMT -6
Right now it looks like they've positioned her to go Mad Queen, and Jon looks like the favorite to sit on the throne. This show loves to surprise you though, I don't think either are a safe assumption.
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Post by neader on May 6, 2019 7:08:29 GMT -6
Yeah I am v much anticipating this mad queen bs to be a bait and switch on the part of the writers.
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Post by concertgoer on May 6, 2019 7:32:14 GMT -6
Yeah I am v much anticipating this mad queen bs to be a bait and switch on the part of the writers. I sure hope so |
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Post by borracho on May 6, 2019 8:35:56 GMT -6
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Post by Javo on May 6, 2019 8:41:48 GMT -6
lol at the Starbucks cup. Also there's a rumor that some people read a leaked script for the last two episodes and they're not happy about it. I truly hope it's fake
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 8:59:59 GMT -6
once again i feel i should bite my tongue because i just think the writing is appalling left and right. but im trying to just enjoy the popcorn moments (great tension in the last sequence at king's landing's gate! i'll pretend like it makes any sense and matches ANY characters' previous motivations whatsoever!)
honestly tho the pacing for this one was all over the place. also also i know we're rushed to get to the big battle and the aftermath in KL, but killing Rhagal and Missandei immediately after a battle that they probably could/should have died in anyway was...almost laughable?
also also i knew they had to have a payoff with the fucking stupid scorpion at some point but making dany and her team go to dragonstone "just because" when they already lost an entire fleet to Euron was just the worst kind of plot fodder ever.
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Post by neader on May 6, 2019 9:02:08 GMT -6
the only plus I about killing rhaegal by cersei is it adds an emotional component and more conflict between cersei and dany where as before it was just i want the throne. so i don't have an issue with him dying, but the way he was killed was so dumb and they spent no time mourning him either.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 9:12:33 GMT -6
agreed. both deaths in this episode were just used to serve the "mad queen" story they're careening towards without any other characters in mind.
in the meantime we have to continue to believe that Euron, who is the dumbest fucking one dimensional fedora this show has ever produced, somehow is better at surviving and amassing the largest naval force and expensive mercenaries ever with no consequences (i know they're pressed for time but just having Varys say that Yara took back the Iron Islands with no problem and then does nothing to stop Euron in this episode is....oooof)
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Post by wanny on May 6, 2019 9:19:28 GMT -6
Do you guys think Euron will catch on to Tryion telling Cersei about the baby? Like, how does Tryion know that when it's supposed to be Eurons?
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Post by neader on May 6, 2019 9:21:28 GMT -6
I don't think so. What's Euron going to do, turn on her? Kill her? Both seem pretty cheap. It would be a bastard anyway and he can have another child with her when they're married that will be the true heir.
I honestly don't think the writers even considered the fact that Euron would be suspicious over this.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 9:26:59 GMT -6
i dont understand the point of the baby thing anymore. at first it was the last shred of humanity that cersei had but now it feels so irrelevant (and might even end up being a lie just to make Tyrion more gullible)
like at best, the baby is born -- because time doesnt matter here -- with blonde hair and Euron flips his shit and then gets crushed by the mountain. or it's born with dark hair and jaime uses that as his rationale for killing Cersei which...*fart noise*
it's a very daytime tv drama plotpoint
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 12:30:37 GMT -6
made the mistake of looking at reddit but oh god i just remembered they casually mentioned there's a new prince in Dorne last night.
cause if there's anything D&D need another shot at, it's a Dorne sequence.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 16:22:24 GMT -6
This was such a dumb episode.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 16:26:11 GMT -6
Like the whole Cersei thing at the end was incredibly annoying because of what we know about her and what we've seen her do in the past. She would have obliterated everyone. These fucking writers.
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Post by venom on May 6, 2019 18:40:47 GMT -6
what was i missing that dany couldn't fly around and roast euron's ships from behind?
i also do not buy at all that the starbucks cup was an accident. it's not like starbucks needs publicity, but what a coup for them. now they can introduce thrones-inspired drinks and whatnot (if they haven't already been doing that).
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Post by neader on May 6, 2019 18:49:15 GMT -6
You were missing that this show is written by monkeys.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 19:19:39 GMT -6
You were missing that this show is written by monkeys. So what you’re saying is that they hired the writers from Lost. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 21:08:51 GMT -6
Another thing I'm not sure has been mentioned but made me super uncomfortable was the treatment of the female characters throughout this episode. This show has never been great with how it treats women, but holy hell - these are characters that are supposed to actually be on the same side.
- The Hound in that weird conversation with Sansa.
- Tyrion deciding to humiliate Brienne for some reason? And then abandoning all character development in his conversation with Jamie.
- Jon Snow is all of a sudden a great choice for king because he's got a dick. And Varys ruling out a co-rule situation w/ this reasoning: "She's too strong for him." So she clearly needs to die so the guy who clearly can't lead can become king.
Just wtf.
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2019 7:02:16 GMT -6
Of everything in that episode, Daenerys continuing down the path she's been on for the last two plus seasons is really not surprising me one iota.
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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 7:07:37 GMT -6
Of everything in that episode, Daenerys continuing down the path she's been on for the last two plus seasons is really not surprising me one iota. What are some mad queen examples from the past two seasons? |
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Post by concertgoer on May 7, 2019 7:09:20 GMT -6
Of everything in that episode, Daenerys continuing down the path she's been on for the last two plus seasons is really not surprising me one iota. What are some mad queen examples from the past two seasons? Burning the Tarly’s alive was a bit harsh. She could have just put them in a black cell. |
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2019 7:09:32 GMT -6
How her initial reaction to any slightly more than minor setback is threaten death and dismemberment. Believing she is destined to rule, and anything in her way deserves to be destroyed.
Or, for something more specific, burning folks to death as a show of intimidation.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:17:22 GMT -6
Of everything in that episode, Daenerys continuing down the path she's been on for the last two plus seasons is really not surprising me one iota. They had to make a major character abandon all of the traits we've observed over the course of the series for this story line to progress, though. |
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