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Post by teekoh on Sept 11, 2018 14:30:19 GMT -6
Ha, what garbage. Don't know who said it, but don't particularly care. If one ever feels themselves starting to speak for a victim's experience that is not their own, it would be best to stop right there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 14:40:32 GMT -6
“I'm happy the #MeToo movement has slowed down a little bit,” Macdonald said. “It used to be, "One hundred women can't be lying." And then it became, "One woman can't lie." And that became, "I believe all women." And then you're like, "What?" Like, that Chris Hardwick guy I really thought got the blunt end of the stick there.”
and he kept going.
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Sept 11, 2018 15:36:55 GMT -6
That was Norm Macdonald who said that, to save everyone a google. god fucking damnit. |
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Post by sleeping on Sept 11, 2018 18:20:04 GMT -6
Double god fucking dammit, because as soon as I saw who it was I read it in his voice,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 12:17:09 GMT -6
Holy shit Bill Cosby is actually getting prison time. I was absolutely expecting him to get house arrest or some bs like that.
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Post by Tweet on Sept 25, 2018 12:18:47 GMT -6
He’ll probably die in jail. 3-10 years
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 13:58:03 GMT -6
Børns
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 8:39:38 GMT -6
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Post by teekoh on Sept 26, 2018 8:45:04 GMT -6
I was just coming to post that. It's really well done and very interesting. There's been a lot out there about how awful Punk Talks is, particularly the rep in this situation, but to see it laid out in this story is infuriating.
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Post by Tweet on Sept 26, 2018 10:06:45 GMT -6
Album this Friday too
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Post by iasm on Sept 26, 2018 14:02:58 GMT -6
Uh, why did they have a fan of the band write that article? It reads really weird and basically ends with a press release.
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Post by alady on Sept 26, 2018 14:08:46 GMT -6
Agreed.
Also what's the deal with Punk Talks? This is the first I've heard of them.
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Post by teekoh on Sept 26, 2018 14:37:12 GMT -6
The woman from the article (Allen) founded it under the guise of providing mental health services to folks in the music scene, including artists and fans, and advertised herself as a licensed professional without that being the case. She contacted Hall, his label, and other bands on the tour and made demands without her "client's" consent. She admits in the article that she fabricated a claim of abuse against Hall, made "egregious" errors that won't happen again, and has now hired a "board" so that she won't be acting without oversight.
It's devastating shit from a mental health care perspective.
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Sept 26, 2018 14:42:39 GMT -6
This situation is wildly messy, but the article gave plenty of added information about Evan's super vague original statements and the behind-the-scenes actions of Sheridan Allen from PunkTalks that were raised by the Spin article earlier this year.
It seems, from my perspective, that Evan is taking necessary steps re: self-reflection, correction, and rehabilition - which is comforting. I haven't listened to Pinegrove since the allegations surfaced last year, but feel a little better now about maybe adding them back to my rotation. Going to wait and see if this article brings forth any more relevant information, before making that decision.
Any other Pinegrove fans circa: 2016-17 here? How do you feel about listening to the band's music / attending concerts given this information? And what questions continue to linger for you?
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Post by thebosma on Sept 26, 2018 14:50:01 GMT -6
The woman from the article (Allen) founded it under the guise of providing mental health services to folks in the music scene, including artists and fans, and advertised herself as a licensed professional without that being the case. She contacted Hall, his label, and other bands on the tour and made demands without her "client's" consent. She admits in the article that she fabricated a claim of abuse against Hall, made "egregious" errors that won't happen again, and has now hired a "board" so that she won't be acting without oversight. It's devastating shit from a mental health care perspective. It's notable that based on what she's said she likely isn't licensed and if she is it should be revoked for how she handled private information. This situation is wildly messy, but the article gave plenty of added information about Evan's super vague original statements and the behind-the-scenes actions of Sheridan Allen from PunkTalks that were raised by the Spin article earlier this year. It seems, from my perspective, that Evan is taking necessary steps re: self-reflection, correction, and rehabilition - which is comforting. I haven't listened to Pinegrove since the allegations surfaced last year, but feel a little better now about maybe adding them back to my rotation. Going to wait and see if this article brings forth any more relevant information, before making that decision. Any other Pinegrove fans circa: 2016-17 here? How do you feel about listening to the band's music / attending concerts given this information? And what questions continue to linger for you? Honestly? I'm not sure. I will probably give the album a listen when it comes out, and it seems he took a lot of the appropriate steps for self improvement, but I don't know if that truly absolves him. If everything he's doing is to the specifications requested by the individual he harmed, and they seem to be ok with the band's return, I suppose I'm also probably ok with it in theory, but I don't know how I'll actually feel in practice. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 14:58:12 GMT -6
I’m fine listening to them now and I didn’t really care about them to begin with. His actions sound nowhere near as bad as his own statement made them sound and the article is essentially saying someone pretending to be a liscenced therapist caused an unnecessary mess.
I’m not down-playing that he may have creepily pursued someone who told him no and that he was verbally manipulative, but his own statement made it sound like he was a rapist (which until now he really did nothing to dispute).
There are numerous other artists who have abused women or said shitty racist/homophobic things in the past that music media seems to still support or at the very least haven’t discouraged people from listening to. It seems odd to me that sites fixated so much on this dude.
The piece is well written but oddly structured. The band and Pitchfork clearly wanted to use this as a way to sort of say “look I’m/He’s not actually a creepy rapist and this was blown out of proportion” and to announce the new album’s release while at the same time trying to very seriously discuss how messy the whole process can be. It just seems like at the very least they could have chopped off the press release at the end.
Starting the piece with the author contemplating getting a Pinegrove tattoo then essentially implying “I’m glad I didn’t because he may have been a rapist” was also super awkward.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 15:07:01 GMT -6
I have this issue with the first three Real Estate albums though. I enjoy the music, but how much did the creepy guitar dude really contribute to writing them?
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Post by teekoh on Sept 26, 2018 15:21:08 GMT -6
I didn't think the article read weird at all. She's an editor of the site that had started the article before the incident. Most of her features are of women/feminist artists and she wrote a piece last year about the damaging misogyny and abuse in emo.
I don't know that I'll ever not feel weird myself when listening to them, but I'm pretty happy with the result of the incident. For something that did not involve physical abuse, I think respecting the victim and following their desired therapeutic path for a year is very admirable. I think it was helpful to have his explanations in the article that the confusing terms he used were the ones used in the Punk Talks message he received and that he wanted to address. Overall I'm glad that he was able to recognize damaging aspects in his behavior, apologize to the person that he affected, and work with them to address the issues. That seems like an ideal result and the sign of someone that took the incident as seriously as they should.
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Post by alady on Sept 26, 2018 16:58:33 GMT -6
Is there stuff on Punk Talks outside of this article? I don't think you can be a licensed therapist of any kind with just a bachelor's degree but the founder's approach just seemed weird and blackmaily.
That said I'm still not clear on the allegations. He talked her into sleeping with him despite knowing she was partnered?
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Post by teekoh on Sept 27, 2018 8:35:32 GMT -6
I remember Spin and BrooklynVegan having pieces on Punk Talks earlier this year. Her approach was both of those, but she also presented herself as licensed while knowing that she wasn't.
The allegations never were very clear since the public version didn't come from the victim. That's what appears to have happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 11:11:54 GMT -6
Bill Cosby was allowed to call his wife on speakerphone from jail, and complained that a stale hot dog bun was thrown at him, causing him to fall down a few steps.
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Post by Tweet on Sept 27, 2018 11:52:52 GMT -6
Inmates do the darnedest things amirite?
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Sept 27, 2018 12:17:38 GMT -6
Bill Cosby was allowed to call his wife on speakerphone from jail, and complained that a stale hot dog bun was thrown at him, causing him to fall down a few steps. Musta been a slow first day in jail |
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Post by mookie on Oct 1, 2018 7:02:42 GMT -6
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Post by Javo on Oct 1, 2018 9:15:12 GMT -6
Bill Cosby was allowed to call his wife on speakerphone from jail, and complained that a stale hot dog bun was thrown at him, causing him to fall down a few steps. Who confirmed that the bun was stale? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 9:16:08 GMT -6
I would assume that all bread served in a prison is stale.
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Post by Tweet on Oct 9, 2018 6:47:57 GMT -6
Bill Cosby was allowed to call his wife on speakerphone from jail, and complained that a stale hot dog bun was thrown at him, causing him to fall down a few steps. |
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Post by alady on Oct 15, 2018 13:13:25 GMT -6
Is this where we're talking about Bryant Giles?
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Post by teekoh on Oct 15, 2018 13:23:57 GMT -6
I hadn't heard of him until the Noname album dropped, but that story is really awful, too. Haven't looked into it too much further, but I'm glad he was arrested/charged.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 11:46:43 GMT -6
The Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office has reports that Karl Logan, longtime guitarist for power metal icons Manowar, was arrested on possession of child pornography charges in Charlotte, N.C. on Aug. 9 earlier this year.
The arrest record indicates that Logan, 53, faces six felony counts of third-degree sexual exploitation of a minor. "A person commits the offense of third-degree sexual exploitation of a minor if, knowing the character or content of the material, he possesses material that contains a visual representation of a minor engaging in sexual activity," states N.C. General Statute.
the band only said he won't be touring with them due to him "having to work closely with his attorneys," which i find a less than satisfactory response.
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