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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 8:13:56 GMT -6
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Post by doso on Jan 10, 2018 9:28:39 GMT -6
I haven't come across the term "edgelord" before and I'm quite amused.
Also have no idea what was happening on the previous page, but I was on hiatus after the first two or three rounds of BDBU nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 11:35:48 GMT -6
More women have come forward to accuse James Franco of “inappropriate or sexually exploitative behavior” in a new Los Angeles Times report, adding to allegations made on social media earlier this week. Sarah Tither-Kaplan, Hilary Dusome, Natalie Chmiel, Katie Ryan, and Devyn Labella, former students at Franco’s now-shuttered acting school Studio 4, describe what they felt was an atmosphere of exploitation at the school, with Franco taking advantage of his powerful position to coerce women into performing on-camera scenes involving nudity and sex acts. Another woman, filmmaker Violet Paley, detailed to the Times an accusation that Franco had forced her to perform oral sex on him in 2016.
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Post by sick2b on Jan 11, 2018 11:50:03 GMT -6
THIS Seriously, fuck French people (on this at least)
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Post by Tweet on Jan 11, 2018 12:29:46 GMT -6
More women have come forward to accuse James Franco of “inappropriate or sexually exploitative behavior” in a new Los Angeles Times report, adding to allegations made on social media earlier this week. Sarah Tither-Kaplan, Hilary Dusome, Natalie Chmiel, Katie Ryan, and Devyn Labella, former students at Franco’s now-shuttered acting school Studio 4, describe what they felt was an atmosphere of exploitation at the school, with Franco taking advantage of his powerful position to coerce women into performing on-camera scenes involving nudity and sex acts. Another woman, filmmaker Violet Paley, detailed to the Times an accusation that Franco had forced her to perform oral sex on him in 2016. This is probably top 5 "baddest things" I've read since the Weinstein story broke. Not that they aren't all bad, but like, fuck
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Post by doso on Jan 11, 2018 13:28:53 GMT -6
Wonder if he's going to come clean or lean in to his denial even harder.
Prediction: he won't be doing anything to "make restitution/fix it" ala his statement on Colbert.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 13:30:22 GMT -6
Wonder if he's going to come clean or lean in to his denial even harder. Prediction: he won't be doing anything to "make restitution/fix it" ala his statement on Colbert. he did seth meyers last night too lol
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 11, 2018 15:51:45 GMT -6
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Post by Tweet on Jan 11, 2018 16:45:41 GMT -6
I like how all the articles have been framing him as the Community guy instead of, you know, the other show with the stupidly rabid fanbase
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 11, 2018 16:52:07 GMT -6
I mean, that's when it happened, but I get your point.
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Post by claypoolfan on Jan 11, 2018 17:15:11 GMT -6
Had no idea he was responsible for Rick and Morty. Never seen it but I very much hope this leads to it being cancelled. The internet implosion that would take place would be some great lols.
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Post by mikemacncheese on Jan 13, 2018 23:22:31 GMT -6
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 14, 2018 0:55:36 GMT -6
That is such a gross and weird story.
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Post by neader on Jan 14, 2018 8:00:46 GMT -6
Almost every comment I've read about this are people claiming it's not sexual assault and she's taking advantage of the movement.
Fuck everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 9:17:38 GMT -6
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Post by irvred on Jan 15, 2018 9:36:38 GMT -6
I don't entirely agree with the article but it is well-written and by a woman who has also been sexually harassed so I wish we wouldn't completely dismiss her points. Is it possible to be on neither side? Aziz Ansari comes off incredibly scummy and his behavior is unacceptable, but I feel like it's condescending and even infantilizing to immediately jump to 'Grace' being helpless. I don't know. She's for sure the victim and this should not be allowed to happen to her. But publishing an exposè on Babe.com and weaponizing the entire internet feels to me like a continued symptom of celebrity worship when we as a culture actually need to step back and dismantle 'celebrity worship.'
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Post by alady on Jan 15, 2018 9:37:05 GMT -6
That whole article is awful but this passage:
Those magazines didn’t prepare teenage girls for sports or STEM or huge careers; the kind of world-conquering, taking-numbers strength that is the common language of the most middle-of-the road cultural products aimed at today’s girls was totally absent. But in one essential way they reminded us that we were strong in a way that so many modern girls are weak. They told us over and over again that if a man tried to push you into anything you didn’t want, even just a kiss, you told him flat out you weren’t doing it. If he kept going, you got away from him. You were always to have “mad money” with you: cab fare in case he got “fresh” and then refused to drive you home. They told you to slap him if you had to; they told you to get out of the car and start wailing if you had to. They told you to do whatever it took to stop him from using your body in any way you didn’t want, and under no circumstances to go down without a fight.
funny how none of that actually stopped sexual assault from happening and was just as likely to be met with violence
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Post by irvred on Jan 15, 2018 9:38:38 GMT -6
That passage is pretty bad and off-base.
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Post by alady on Jan 15, 2018 9:44:13 GMT -6
I don't entirely agree with the article but it is well-written and by a woman who has also been sexually harassed so I wish we wouldn't completely dismiss her points. Is it possible to be on neither side? Aziz Ansari comes off incredibly scummy and his behavior is unacceptable, but I feel like it's condescending and even infantilizing to immediately jump to 'Grace' being helpless. I don't know. She's for sure the victim and this should not be allowed to happen to her. But publishing an exposè on Babe.com and weaponizing the entire internet feels to me like a continued symptom of celebrity worship when we as a culture actually need to step back and dismantle 'celebrity worship.' I don't think the point is that she's helpless. Grace's account read to me like she was young and inexperienced, and coupled with Aziz's fame (which, yes, is power, and he needs to be aware of that when picking up 22 year olds) led to feeling pressured to do things she might not have otherwise agreed to. This is why it reads as an unclear, bad date situation to some, but to many the icky next-morning feeling is all too familiar. It's a good reminder, even to celebrities, that consent should be enthusiastic.
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Post by alady on Jan 15, 2018 9:44:30 GMT -6
(burn it down)
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Post by thebosma on Jan 15, 2018 9:45:07 GMT -6
People keep saying that it should have been easy for this girl to put up a fight and get out of this situation but you know what’s easier? Fucking respecting the word no, and not put anyone in the situation where you validate their fear of men in the fucking first place. Hearing the word “no” is the entirety of the signal and reason it takes to stop a sexual encounter. It doesn’t mean maybe later. Maybe if you ask more. Maybe if you ask differently. Maybe if you expect it from them they’ll give it to you. Anyone who doesn’t know that or respect that is inherently and objectively in the wrong, and anyone who rubs their dick on a woman’s ass after she says no is participating in sexual assault. It’s so easy to listen to the word no. It’s not always easy to escape from people who don’t respect it. There’s a clear source of the problem here.
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Post by irvred on Jan 15, 2018 9:51:19 GMT -6
100% agree with both of you re: consent and also re: Burning It Down.
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Post by alady on Jan 15, 2018 9:54:04 GMT -6
I'm so proud of how far this board has come.
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Post by andrewvb on Jan 15, 2018 9:55:54 GMT -6
i dont understand the bad date defense really.
if you're a man saying that, have you really behaved that way on a date?
if you're a woman saying that, and you have experienced a date that bad, are you really going out of your way to tear down this woman going through that bad experience and find an excuse for the man behaving that way?
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Post by alady on Jan 15, 2018 10:02:51 GMT -6
Internalized misognyny is a helluva drug.
It's the whole dichotomy that we're taught: men are not to be trusted, but you also have to trust them in order to form any kind of intimacy. (But also don't trust them.)
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Post by Tweet on Jan 15, 2018 10:59:33 GMT -6
Kinda strange to me that there's been no real reaction from whatever powers that be about Aziz and Franco. Wonder if anything will really happen between now and awards season. Off topic-ish, but I tried to listen to Brand New's Science Fiction for the first time since that story broke. Only got half way through before I skipped to the last song which has been in my head for the last few days. Was an interesting experience for sure cause I really loved that album when it first came out. Doubt I'll do it again. Read this piece if you haven't already.
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 15, 2018 11:17:31 GMT -6
Here's my problem: by her own admission, he admitted he was wrong and apologized the next day. So...the point of this now is what? Just to bring him down and destroy his career?
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Post by alady on Jan 15, 2018 11:30:58 GMT -6
To warn the next person who might find themselves in that situation with him. To address the men who operate in that way and put them on notice.
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Post by neader on Jan 15, 2018 11:34:07 GMT -6
and to spread awareness that these occurences are more common than most men realize.
I recently reconnected with a female friend from an old friend group and had to cut out some guys from that group out of my life after hearing stories of encounters she's had with them.
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Post by pigs on Jan 15, 2018 11:50:42 GMT -6
Does the woman in the Aziz case work for babe.net?
If not, and definitely not to shrug off the accusation/acknowledgement of the event, but why is this reported on babe.net?
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