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Post by ultravisitor on Aug 10, 2020 11:03:29 GMT -6
I just feel like whenever I've heard gushing about it over the years it's been from dudes 🤷♀️ One of my best friends who loves it is a woman. I have lots of female students who loved them, too.
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Post by Kamera on Aug 11, 2020 7:01:27 GMT -6
Why tho?
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Post by thebosma on Aug 11, 2020 7:05:20 GMT -6
I wonder if his cult is still going strong/what their Covid numbers look like. Could be looking to relocate if so
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 7:55:50 GMT -6
we also watched both Before Sunrise and Before Sunset yesterday having never seen either before. v cute and harmless. i like Linklater when he pretends to know everything about drugs more than when he pretends to know everything about relationships. definitely not bad tho!
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Post by Timbo on Aug 11, 2020 9:10:00 GMT -6
A View to a Kill - And here we have actual rock bottom. But not for the reasons most would think. This is often considered the worst Bond film by far, and it rightfully is. We already know Moore was too old to be in it at this point, he even joked about it later. Tanya Roberts is so out of her element here, she basically is just Midge. May Day is a confusing inclusion to the plot given that she's crazy intimidating for much of the movie and kills just about everyone she meets, then for some reason the writers decided to flip her into a hero in the last 5 minutes. Moore is Moore, but this time he tried to look younger with some kind of plastic surgery around his eyes that make every expression look "surprised" even when receiving or delivering bad news.
Zorin's main scheme is dull and the action around it never feels justified - wiping out Silicon Valley so that you can be the leader in microchip development doesn't sound all that amazing, and feels like another retread of the villain just wanting more money/world dominance. The climax on the Golden Gate bridge is laughable, the idea that May Day has super human strength is laughable, Q spying on Bond and Tanya in the shower is pervy. Just a lot of stupid shit. The airship scenes are decent but most of the action is hardly exciting.
So is there anything redeeming about this movie? Why yes, there is: Christopher Walken as Max Zorin. Sure, his plan is lame. But the big thing to take away from Walken's performance is actually how dedicated he is to it. It also starts a new breed of Bond villain. All of the world domination stuff is always done by these old guys who do a lot of ordering around and tossing out commands. Zorin is psychotic, and he shows it in the mine scene where he unloads his machine gun on every miner he can find. This scene goes for like 5 minutes. He floods the mine and shoots everyone in sight. And he enjoys it. Roger Moore stated that this scene is the reason (per him) that he didn't want to do Bond anymore b/c it was the indicator that Bond films were no longer light hearted. It's interesting that Moore was okay with an old man bedding women half his age, but the minute violence comes into play that's when its gone too far. But Zorin's a memorable villain after a string of unmemorable one's. The problem is he's wasted here in a dull plot, surrounded by bad performers (except Grace Jones).
And that concludes the Moore era. The next two are Timothy Dalton, and I've never seen either.
Official Ranking
1. Goldfinger 2. From Russia With Love 3. Goldeneye 4. Thunderball 5. Dr. No 6. Live and Let Die 7. The Spy Who Loved Me 8. The World Is Not Enough 9. Die Another Day 10. For Your Eyes Only 11. Diamonds Are Forever 12. Tomorrow Never Dies 13. Moonraker 14. You Only Live Twice 15. The Man With the Golden Gun 16. Octopussy 17. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 18. A View to a Kill
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Post by venom on Aug 11, 2020 9:17:11 GMT -6
the other redeeming thing about that movie is the song.
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Post by zircona1 on Aug 11, 2020 9:18:24 GMT -6
Don't forget:
Death by fishing lures in the bar in Paris! Zorin's airship swooping down and him literally grabbing Tanya Roberts! Bond's snowboarding moves in the opening sequence!
The theme song is one of the best Bond themes, though - that is another plus.
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Post by Timbo on Aug 11, 2020 9:36:52 GMT -6
I actually meant to mention that one. The song is a banger and top tier Bond theme for sure.
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Post by thebosma on Aug 11, 2020 12:50:51 GMT -6
www.criterion.com/boxsets/3626-essential-felliniCriterion’s Fellini box set looks great, very cool to finally have restorations of La Strada and Nights of Cabiria. Judging by the November date and the fact that December is usually a lower profile release month for them, the Wong Kar Wai box set is almost certainly delayed so they can tour the restorations of the films first when it’s safe again. A bit of a bummer but for sure understandable
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Post by zircona1 on Aug 11, 2020 14:32:37 GMT -6
@timbo - You going to give Never Say Never Again a watch?
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Post by Timbo on Aug 11, 2020 14:59:39 GMT -6
oh i suppose. never seen it so... i guess i'll do that next instead.
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Post by alady on Aug 11, 2020 18:08:52 GMT -6
Have any of you had difficulty streaming stuff from the Music Box? It doesn't seem to want to chromecast for me.
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Post by munkivelli on Aug 11, 2020 18:12:43 GMT -6
Have any of you had difficulty streaming stuff from the Music Box? It doesn't seem to want to chromecast for me. They have films from different studio streaming sites, so ymmv depending on the studio behind it. Had luck with a lot of the virtual cinema rentals so far as far as chromecast support and subtitles and stuff, but I rented Bloody Nose Empty Pockets a few weeks ago and the streaming site was so bad that I didn't even end up finishing the film.
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Post by Timbo on Aug 12, 2020 11:10:15 GMT -6
Never Say Never Again - So this one...I think the behind the scenes struggle to get the film rights and get it made is way more compelling than the actual movie. It's not a terrible film though, we've just seen it already. I like the idea of framing it with an aging Bond, and there's several references to him being too old. Unfortunately this doesn't translate to him swearing off younger women. A few differences between this and Thunderball but it's just the same movie/story.
I like that it doesn't feel like a Bond film at times. There's still cheese but not as overly saturated in it as others have been. Rowan Atkinson has a bit part in it, and it's weird to see him so young, but naturally he's there for comic relief. Speaking of random appearances, anyone catch Dolph Lundgren in A View to A Kill? I had to look it up after seeing him to confirm, but yeah he's got a bit part as a KGB in one scene. Anyway, back to this one. Connery is a breath of fresh air after Moore, but still not all that there. He's got the charm for sure, and there's some decent action, specifically the motorcycle chase, but otherwise he's pretty phoned in.
The underwater fight scene at least tries to make the bad guys and good guys more discernible, not that it matters since they are all doubles. I'm tired of sharks though, so many sharks, all the time. Sure, there aren't many creatures on this planet more terrifying than a shark, but i feel like there are sharks in every other movie as a cheap dramatic plot device that goes nowhere. So while there are several positives to this one, it never reaches the heights of the top tier. It may be superior to the last few Moore films, but that's a pretty low bar. Unnecessary, but slightly entertaining basically.
Official Ranking
1. Goldfinger 2. From Russia With Love 3. Goldeneye 4. Thunderball 5. Dr. No 6. Live and Let Die 7. The Spy Who Loved Me 8. The World Is Not Enough 9. Die Another Day 10. For Your Eyes Only 11. Diamonds Are Forever 12. Tomorrow Never Dies 13. Never Say Never Again 14. Moonraker 15. You Only Live Twice 16. The Man With the Golden Gun 17. Octopussy 18. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 19. A View to a Kill
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Post by regionrat6337 on Aug 12, 2020 21:33:36 GMT -6
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Post by Kamera on Aug 13, 2020 8:49:42 GMT -6
I noticed Alfred Hitchcock's Rebecca is not on Criterion Collection nor anywhere to rent. Is it worth picking up a physical copy? The Letterboxd reviews looked really good.
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Post by thebosma on Aug 13, 2020 9:06:34 GMT -6
It’s insanely good. My hot take is that it might be his best
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Post by krentist on Aug 13, 2020 9:15:41 GMT -6
Yes Rebecca is worth it. Haven't gone too deep into the supplementals but the CC version looks good
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Post by venom on Aug 13, 2020 9:30:29 GMT -6
I noticed Alfred Hitchcock's Rebecca is not on Criterion Collection nor anywhere to rent. Is it worth picking up a physical copy? The Letterboxd reviews looked really good. if you have roku, there's an app called tv time feature films that has Rebecca for free. it's a wonky interface and movies are sorted by actor, but it's actually got a bunch of pretty good 40s/50s movies.
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Post by andrewvb on Aug 13, 2020 9:39:57 GMT -6
I noticed Alfred Hitchcock's Rebecca is not on Criterion Collection nor anywhere to rent. Is it worth picking up a physical copy? The Letterboxd reviews looked really good. good letterboxd find
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Post by teekoh on Aug 13, 2020 9:51:37 GMT -6
I would also recommend Rebecca.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 9:51:43 GMT -6
I noticed Alfred Hitchcock's Rebecca is not on Criterion Collection nor anywhere to rent. Is it worth picking up a physical copy? The Letterboxd reviews looked really good. if you have roku, there's an app called tv time feature films that has Rebecca for free. it's a wonky interface and movies are sorted by actor, but it's actually got a bunch of pretty good 40s/50s movies. This is good to know - I'll be checking out this app later.
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Post by cosmo on Aug 13, 2020 17:17:38 GMT -6
I just got the email from AMC A-list to reactivate my membership. Missouri theaters will only be 30% capacity, but I'm still pretty excited about this. Especially about seeing Inception in IMAX.
Edit: Also made reservations for Train to Busan Presents Peninsula and Unhinged.
And, just because:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 21:01:42 GMT -6
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Post by alady on Aug 13, 2020 21:13:18 GMT -6
An all-timer.
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Post by Kamera on Aug 13, 2020 22:25:51 GMT -6
I need to watch Playtime next.
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Post by Timbo on Aug 14, 2020 9:09:27 GMT -6
The Living Daylights - this movie is a lot like how I'd expect a Biden presidency to be: unremarkable, but not awful, and a huge improvement over the last guy to do the job. It has it's moments, there's some creepy dude scenes, Dalton often looks out of his element. He's a strange choice for Bond, I expected him to be suave, but instead he's clumsy. Having never seen either of his entries before, I've decided I wasn't missing much with this one. The story is pretty pathetic, there's hardly any exciting action.
I like it when the Bond girl subverts the stereotype that Flemming projects, but that's not the case here. Kara spends most of the movie pining for Bond's affection, and there's this very thin love story present but its always one sided until it comes to sex - then Bond's all in! She's never given any moments to shine, and when you think there's about to be one - like when she's flying the plane - they have to purposely sabotage her character by having her one minute flying just fine, but as soon as Bond returns she's somehow miraculously put them on track to crash into a mountain and he has to save the day. It's a matter of like seconds between her watching what she's doing, and then Bond returns and sits down and then "OMG WE'RE GONNA HIT THAT MOUNTAIN THAT POPPED UP OUT OF NOWHERE." I've never flown a plane, so maybe I shouldn't judge but it seems to me that flying into a mountain is something easily avoidable in broad daylight.
Also kinda tired of the title being just a line of dialogue in these movies. "I bet that scared the living daylights out of her." Lets name it that! It's much better than "Another Movie About the KGB." I think this is why I enjoy the Daniel Craig movies the most b/c they move away from these foreign powers. This is like the third movie in a row with the KGB involved. And yet, somehow, they are still fooled by Bond when he pretends to be someone else. To be fair, Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton look nothing alike. Back to Dalton as Bond, he's a strange choice after seeing this one. His one liners aren't particularly memorable, and he very often comes across confused. Like he's actually not sure what he's doing. He takes bumps more than Moore did, but even those feel awkward. Of his two movies, Dalton says this is his favorite.
On the other hand though, there's a decent chase scene, and the fight on the plane is well shot. Joe Don Baker is great, but it's weird to see him here as a villain and then two movies later play a good guy in a different role. Also the bad guy from the Fugitive is in it and I knew he was a bad guy here right away. All in all it's okay, and a marginal improvement over the last few Moore films. But I wouldn't recommend it. I'm actually looking forward to the next one though, as License to Kill's premise is more intriguing than this one.
Official Ranking
1. Goldfinger 2. From Russia With Love 3. Goldeneye 4. Thunderball 5. Dr. No 6. Live and Let Die 7. The Spy Who Loved Me 8. The World Is Not Enough 9. Die Another Day 10. For Your Eyes Only 11. Diamonds Are Forever 12. Tomorrow Never Dies 13. Never Say Never Again 14. The Living Daylights 15. Moonraker 16. You Only Live Twice 17. The Man With the Golden Gun 18. Octopussy 19. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 20. A View to a Kill
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Post by clouddead on Aug 14, 2020 9:37:14 GMT -6
I always assume they had the title first and then made that a line in the movie.
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Post by Timbo on Aug 14, 2020 10:33:05 GMT -6
Decided to look it up. The line comes directly from the short story The Living Daylights which is adapted to the first fifteen minutes or so of the movie. It was originally titled Trigger Finger though. So the filmmakers didn't, but maybe the line came first for Fleming and then the title change? Who knows.
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Post by venom on Aug 14, 2020 10:41:24 GMT -6
this was the first bond movie i saw in a theater. i thought it was awesome. i still have a soft spot for it.
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