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Post by concertgoer on Jul 24, 2019 13:41:28 GMT -6
Its early still but the weather forecast looks great
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 13:43:46 GMT -6
lol a few BiRdies from boards past actually mentioned that it sold Not-Well-Enough that they may be considering shrinking the park a bit (possibly not extending the grove/perry's all the way out to the tracks and overpass) i also just realized they never posted the 2019 map so there may be something to that |
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Post by cosmo on Jul 24, 2019 16:46:40 GMT -6
lol a few BiRdies from boards past actually mentioned that it sold Not-Well-Enough that they may be considering shrinking the park a bit (possibly not extending the grove/perry's all the way out to the tracks and overpass) i also just realized they never posted the 2019 map so there may be something to that FWIW, the 2018 map has been removed from the website. Also, IDGI, what would be solved by reducing the areas of Perry's and the Grove? I didn't think there was anything in-between the areas and the tracks. |
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Post by joeposh on Jul 24, 2019 17:00:08 GMT -6
I was going to ask if we have any insiders who had some sense of how far off they are? If there were even close, I feel like they would have pulled a fake sellout or rang the "going fast" alarms on social by now.
Thursday's are always light, even during sell out years, so I'll be interested to see how the park feels on that first afternoon given the state of ticket sales and that early line-up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 17:00:58 GMT -6
they have to pay the city to rent the space (per square yard per hour would be my guess)
plus permitting fees for each designated area the park district controls, utilizing any of the utilities in the ground there, and all the traffic control that is affected by the size of the park
edit: irt cosmo
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Post by joeposh on Jul 24, 2019 17:07:18 GMT -6
I'm probably reading too much into this answer, but I found this bit in the response about how C3 will adapt to win people's entertainment dollar interesting:
"We’re seeing changes year to year based on the type of music that is popular. Right now, it’s skewing younger, but the lineup is still diverse. It has something for everybody."
Almost feels like a light admission that they may have missed the mark in terms of ticket sales by trying to cater so much to the younger demo.
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Post by cosmo on Jul 24, 2019 17:22:23 GMT -6
I understand your interpretation. I was talking to an ex-Lolla boarder about this at 80/35 and we both were commenting on the 'younger' line-up. I felt that the mistake was was expecting the "kids" to be able to afford the ticket price. Her point was that Lolla must have thought the parents would be be buying the tickets for the kids.
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Post by joeposh on Jul 24, 2019 17:41:01 GMT -6
I understand your interpretation. I was talking to an ex-Lolla boarder about this at 80/35 and we both were commenting on the 'younger' line-up. I felt that the mistake was was expecting the "kids" to be able to afford the ticket price. Her point was that Lolla must have thought the parents would be be buying the tickets for the kids. I think part of the problem is that you need some tent pole talents up top that can sell a one day pass or 4-day to a larger group on their own, even if the talent under them largely caters to a younger demo. They didn't do that this year. The Strokes are great, but in the Jack White camp of an act whose draw is on the decline, and nothing really on their day that caters to their audience. There are no rare bookings, hometown heroes or big returns that have cross generational or strong niche pull. I know this has been a tough year for festivals in general, but they missed the mark. |
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Post by cosmo on Jul 24, 2019 17:51:24 GMT -6
I used to bring my daughter (a millennial) to Lolla every year (2003 to 2012). She hasn't been back because she can't afford it. But, her favorite sets were not pop-based entertainment. She was there to see acts like Lou Reed, Iggy and the Stooges, and Patti Smith. Seriously, who was the the last legacy act that has played Lolla?
EDIT: I guess Jane's Addiction played a couple years ago.
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Post by thebosma on Jul 24, 2019 18:11:04 GMT -6
Which legacy acts are left that will get older asses in the park during an extremely hot weekend that sometimes gets rained out? They kinda blew their load with McCartney Metallica Radiohead and RHCP over the course of exactly 2 years lol
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Post by cosmo on Jul 24, 2019 18:21:49 GMT -6
Did Lolla sell out those years?
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Post by thebosma on Jul 24, 2019 18:28:55 GMT -6
Yep! Pretty fast too!
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 24, 2019 18:37:06 GMT -6
This is the first year the fest hasn't sold out the weekend passes since 2010 I believe, but sales started to slow down the moment they expanded to four days.
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Post by thebosma on Jul 24, 2019 18:53:02 GMT -6
This is the first year the fest hasn't sold out the weekend passes since 2010 I believe, but sales started to slow down the moment they expanded to four days. 2016 sold out in an hour, but people were also probably expecting bigger Thursday headliners than J Cole and Lana Del Rey. |
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Post by Tweet on Jul 24, 2019 18:58:56 GMT -6
Acts that could get “old asses” in the park, in no particular order:
Pearl Jam
Foo fighters
Madonna
Eminem (don’t do it again assholes)
Guns N’ Roses
Lady Gaga (would be a fun follow up!)
Dr. Dre
Green Day
Beyoncé
Jay-Z
Hell, even put non old ass fanbase Kendrick in there and it would’ve worked.
In principle this isn’t hard!
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Post by Tweet on Jul 24, 2019 19:02:02 GMT -6
But next year we’re gonna have more toothless pop shit like Khalid and Katy perry headline, and they’ll cut arcade fire a check to play to 5,000 people on Thursday like the strokes are gonna do this time next week.
Will never understand for the life of me why pushed for 4 full days rather than a midnight curfew on the first three. It could’ve been Midwest Coachella. It instead is b96 in the actual city with the college intern picking a few bands
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Post by Tweet on Jul 24, 2019 19:03:01 GMT -6
(Back when Coachella was good I mean. Coachella has a completely different (and better) problem)
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 24, 2019 19:07:54 GMT -6
This is the first year the fest hasn't sold out the weekend passes since 2010 I believe, but sales started to slow down the moment they expanded to four days. 2016 sold out in an hour, but people were also probably expecting bigger Thursday headliners than J Cole and Lana Del Rey. 2016 was the last year I bought the weekend pass. The hourish it took to sell out still represented a slow down from the previous three years. Single days (particularly Sunday) took longer as well. |
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Post by thebosma on Jul 24, 2019 19:14:05 GMT -6
Weren't Foo Fighters on a bunch of those butt rock festivals that sold $1 passes? I wouldn't be so confident on few of those, but for the most part I get your point. I'm almost certain they're gonna make some major adjustments next year though.
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Post by cosmo on Jul 24, 2019 19:16:57 GMT -6
But next year we’re gonna have more toothless pop shit like Khalid and Katy perry headline, and they’ll cut arcade fire a check to play to 5,000 people on Thursday like the strokes are gonna do this time next week. Will never understand for the life of me why pushed for 4 full days rather than a midnight curfew on the first three. It could’ve been Midwest Coachella. It instead is b96 in the actual city with the college intern picking a few bands You forgot Post Malone. Lucky me, I get to see him at Voodoo. On the other hand, I also get to see Guns n' Roses and Beck. |
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Post by concertgoer on Jul 24, 2019 19:31:37 GMT -6
Declining attendance is not a problem unique to Lolla. Look how empty Pitchfork was compared to other years and it certainly doesn’t seem like Riotfest is moving tickets at a rapid pace. I could see C3 make a few minor changes next year, but I wouldn’t expect a big change to their booking strategy.
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 24, 2019 19:44:07 GMT -6
P4K does not sell out every year, they are very lineup dependent. This year's lineup featured smaller headliners than the last couple of years, and the brutal Friday & Saturday temps certainly didn't help.
Riot Fest has literally never sold out - but whatever they're doing seems to be working for them.
Lolla went from selling out blind to not being able to sell out at all in a 3 year period. I expect them to make some changes next year.
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Post by facts on Jul 24, 2019 19:54:18 GMT -6
I think its more the 4 days than it is the acts they're booking. 4 days and close to $400 is a money and time investment for the audience they're targeting, and I think they've trained people to just buy one days. And once you've trained people that some of it is missable, they realize it's all pretty missable.
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Post by venom on Jul 24, 2019 21:06:54 GMT -6
but lolla didn't always sell out. i distinctly remember a friend walking up and buying a saturday ticket at the gate in 2009. and i think i bought a 2012 sunday ticket only after they released the schedule.
so when did it shift to blind sellouts?
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 24, 2019 21:07:53 GMT -6
but lolla didn't always sell out. i distinctly remember a friend walking up and buying a saturday ticket at the gate in 2009. and i think i bought a 2012 sunday ticket only after they released the schedule. so when did it shift to blind sellouts? 2013 was the first year of the blind sell out. |
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Post by joeposh on Jul 24, 2019 23:09:55 GMT -6
Was 2013 also the first year of the blind on-sale? I know they did Golden Ticket and some discounted advance sale, but a blind on-sale wasn't the norm until recently.
The 4 day format may have diluted elements of the fest, but it can't be blamed for the current woes. If there was a stronger line-up, they 4-day pass would be sold out right now. Fact is if they had booked some bigger acts (like Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, GNR, and some of the others mentioned) they probably could have sold out those single days, and then 4 days off the back of that (to people who may only want one day, but want to be there for that marquee act). That's how it used to be, multi day passes would sell out before or after the hottest day, then the other single days would go after, sometimes day of.
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 25, 2019 6:00:17 GMT -6
Was 2013 also the first year of the blind on-sale? I know they did Golden Ticket and some discounted advance sale, but a blind on-sale wasn't the norm until recently. The 4 day format may have diluted elements of the fest, but it can't be blamed for the current woes. If there was a stronger line-up, they 4-day pass would be sold out right now. Fact is if they had booked some bigger acts (like Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, GNR, and some of the others mentioned) they probably could have sold out those single days, and then 4 days off the back of that (to people who may only want one day, but want to be there for that marquee act). That's how it used to be, multi day passes would sell out before or after the hottest day, then the other single days would go after, sometimes day of. No, they had been using the blind "early bird" sale for years before that. They would first sell the goldens, then announce an early bird sale, along with regular tickets available as soon as the early birds ran out. Until 2013, the early birds would go pre lineup drop, but not the regularly priced tickets. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 8:54:02 GMT -6
oof yeah i tried mapping out the day or two that we're planning on going. yikes.
friday: idles -> second half of japanese breakfast -> some of 21 savage -> all of chevelle until the last 2 songs -> janelle monae -> second half of bishop briggs i guess? -> probably gambino for a bit or at least until he plays "this is america" -> mother hubbards
sunday: sandy alex g -> ? -> francis and the light -> some weird path that will let me see the first bit of denzel curry, 5 minutes of Shaq, and the remaining set from Sharon Van Etten -> probably Kacey again even tho i'll see her the night before -> would be nice to see mitski but if im already on that side there's a real good chance the buttrocker in me watches Slash -> lol at perry farrell on the way out
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Post by concertgoer on Jul 25, 2019 8:57:56 GMT -6
There’s some good stuff on Friday before Idles. Omar Apollo and Boy Pablo are both v good.
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Post by thebosma on Jul 25, 2019 8:58:25 GMT -6
V excited for that boy pablo set
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