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Post by rango420 on May 4, 2018 0:24:40 GMT -6
Do you recommend it? I've been tempted after seeing the promos leading in to Homeland, but never taken the plunge. It’s sleezy and goofy like all of the Showtime shows but unlike Homeland or Ray Donovan it’s significantly more woke than problematic which makes the sleezy and goofy stuff go down a whole lot easier (it’s treatment of LGBTQ and Non-Binary characters is almost astonishingly progressive for a show that often feels like it’s written specifically for suburban dads) It’s also legitimately interesting and cool to have a show where the audience surrogate is like the 7th or 8th lead and ever character is horribly evil and hammy and scene chewing (and all the actors are more than game) But at the same time there is a plot line where James Hetfield gives an inspirational speech backstage at a Metallica concert, there’s a slow motion fbi raid set to “cover me up” by Jason isbell, and an astronaut uses the analogy of jay Bennett and Jeff Tweedy breaking up to why she is willing to die in space so it’s definitely heavy dad-Core stuff vs prestige television lol
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Post by dij22 on May 4, 2018 5:23:38 GMT -6
That post made me realize that Billions is a different show than Ballers. I was confused by all of the praise it's been getting.
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Post by doso on May 4, 2018 6:34:17 GMT -6
But at the same time there is a plot line where James Hetfield gives an inspirational speech backstage at a Metallica concert, there’s a slow motion fbi raid set to “cover me up” by Jason isbell, and an astronaut uses the analogy of jay Bennett and Jeff Tweedy breaking up to why she is willing to die in space so it’s definitely heavy dad-Core stuff vs prestige television lol That's certainly bringing out the big ol' Dad Rock guns. I'll give it a whirl. Someday.
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Post by rango420 on May 4, 2018 7:37:00 GMT -6
That post made me realize that Billions is a different show than Ballers. I was confused by all of the praise it's been getting. A friend said the same thing when I was talking bout Billions. Billions is much better than Ballers. Lovin' Billions
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Post by Kamera on May 4, 2018 7:42:09 GMT -6
Wait, so how can you spot a fake Fubu shirt?
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Post by Xamnam on May 4, 2018 7:51:43 GMT -6
I always think people are talking about Bajillion Dollar Properties when I see Billions on here. :/
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Post by Kamera on May 4, 2018 11:54:17 GMT -6
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Post by neader on May 4, 2018 21:05:04 GMT -6
This arrested development redo isn't much better and doesn't really feel any different. Shocking, I know.
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Post by irvred on May 4, 2018 22:03:22 GMT -6
I think I like S4 more than most but this remix actually seems worse than the original edit. By trying to return it to the network AD structue it just feels like Ron Howard narrating a montage of S4 scenes.
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Post by mookie on May 7, 2018 8:00:05 GMT -6
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Post by mookie on May 7, 2018 9:18:45 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 10:06:32 GMT -6
Mixed feelings on that trailer.
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Post by irvred on May 7, 2018 10:22:22 GMT -6
I laughed and am of course going to watch it but it does seem they are somehow finding ways to lean even further info meta territory, which will likely be obnoxious.
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Post by thebosma on May 7, 2018 10:28:33 GMT -6
Honestly it kinda grosses me out that Jeffrey Tambor is still gonna be on the show even after he was kicked off of transparent and also David Cross was super racist to Charlene Yi so that doesn’t make me feel awesome about watching this season
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Post by irvred on May 7, 2018 10:33:48 GMT -6
Not to defend Hurwitz's decisions, but they did wrap filming just before the Transparent allegations broke. If they get a S6 I'd be amazed if they keep Tambor on, though.
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Post by mookie on May 7, 2018 12:25:06 GMT -6
From Spin:
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Post by thebosma on May 7, 2018 12:26:58 GMT -6
Yiiiiiiiiiiikes. Not a great look
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2018 12:27:47 GMT -6
Ugh.
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Post by irvred on May 7, 2018 12:31:41 GMT -6
Well damn
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Post by andrewvb on May 7, 2018 12:33:13 GMT -6
david cross already said a bit ago that while he can't speak for everyone, many of the cast including himself support jeffrey.
curious to read this thr piece now.
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Post by neader on May 7, 2018 12:41:47 GMT -6
I know that Louis's allegations were "worse" and he was the only one to outright admit it but it's weird to see how Netflix draws the line on these things.
Also Barry last night was phenomenal.
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Post by thebosma on May 7, 2018 12:45:23 GMT -6
I'm 20 years late but I just started getting into Will and Grace thanks to it being on Hulu and holy shit is it great. It surprises me that I don't see it as widely heralded amongst my age group like I do Friends.
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Post by alady on May 7, 2018 12:45:49 GMT -6
Ew and nope re Tambor.
Re Barry, it seems pretty meandering (with the caveat that I haven't seen last night's ep yet)
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Post by andrewvb on May 7, 2018 12:58:24 GMT -6
here's the thr story btw: www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/lines-got-blurred-jeffrey-tambor-an-up-close-look-at-harassment-claims-transparent-1108939after reading it, i have to wonder why they are even making another season (without tambor) which it says will be the final one. sounds like it's all been a colossal fucking disaster, both the production and the aftermath with everyone involved. the descriptions of the set culture in there also sound generally inappropriate to me, instead of the sort of free love fest they seem to be going for. Staffers were asked whether Tambor had ever kissed them on the lips — which was something he often felt comfortable enough to do in their cozy work environment. “It’s a really loose set,” says one high-ranking producer who asked not to be identified. “Everybody behaves in a sensual manner because it’s a show about sex. Everyone says things like, ‘You’re so hot, oh my God. I had a dream about you last night.’” As Jay Duplass, who plays Maura’s music producer son, Josh, on the show, once put it, “Your job as an actor is to be emotionally present ... Or in the case of Transparent, have a ton of sex.”
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Post by neader on May 7, 2018 13:00:13 GMT -6
wow it took me a while to realize that was not about arrested development.
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Post by irvred on May 7, 2018 13:00:30 GMT -6
That sounds bad too.
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Post by thebosma on May 7, 2018 14:09:09 GMT -6
here's the thr story btw: www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/lines-got-blurred-jeffrey-tambor-an-up-close-look-at-harassment-claims-transparent-1108939after reading it, i have to wonder why they are even making another season (without tambor) which it says will be the final one. sounds like it's all been a colossal fucking disaster, both the production and the aftermath with everyone involved. the descriptions of the set culture in there also sound generally inappropriate to me, instead of the sort of free love fest they seem to be going for. Staffers were asked whether Tambor had ever kissed them on the lips — which was something he often felt comfortable enough to do in their cozy work environment. “It’s a really loose set,” says one high-ranking producer who asked not to be identified. “Everybody behaves in a sensual manner because it’s a show about sex. Everyone says things like, ‘You’re so hot, oh my God. I had a dream about you last night.’” As Jay Duplass, who plays Maura’s music producer son, Josh, on the show, once put it, “Your job as an actor is to be emotionally present ... Or in the case of Transparent, have a ton of sex.”Jesus this article does a whole hell of a lot of victim blaming, or at least tires to create this idea that Tambor's actions are morally ambiguous at worst. Pretty disgusting all around
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 7, 2018 14:41:08 GMT -6
I can't really tell if I think the article creates an idea that Tambor's actions were morally ambiguous, or if it just highlights that he clearly thinks his actions were morally ambiguous. The segment about Tambor hoping Soloway would vouch for him spoke loudly to me:
It doesn't matter (to me) if it is 100% true that Jeffrey Tambor patted a butt or asked his assistant to sleep with him - what does matter is that it is 100% true that he clearly made people he worked with uncomfortable in a sexual manner, and he was largely (if not explicitly) regarded as their superior. He seems to be hung up on "I didn't do that stuff" which - again, to me - doesn't seem like the very root of the issue.
Maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by teekoh on May 7, 2018 14:47:22 GMT -6
The article definitely came across to me as slanted. From the different statements that he's made it seems like he's apologized for his anger management and volatility while refusing to apologize for behavior that came closer to harassment, which is what is at issue and he seems confused about. It's really unsettling.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 20:16:35 GMT -6
Barry was great. Powerful stuff one minute, witty the next. Wish it wasn't a half hour tho.
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