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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 8:43:35 GMT -6
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Post by teekoh on Jan 18, 2018 9:39:48 GMT -6
That was so gross. And I honestly thought the Bulls had a chance to catch them at that point, too.
Also, it was very sad to see Jordan Bell go down in the first 25 seconds.
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Post by andrewvb on Jan 18, 2018 9:42:17 GMT -6
it was very awesome to see the ball go down on steph curry tho
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 10:06:56 GMT -6
Hornets scored their most points in a half ever with 77 to beat the Wiz. I'm not fooled, though. Crap team. Batum is a waste. I have a wee bit of hope that Steve Clifford coming back from an illness will somehow turn them around and they might finish around .500.
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Post by Blue42 on Jan 18, 2018 11:02:46 GMT -6
Hornets scored their most points in a half ever with 77 to beat the Wiz. I'm not fooled, though. Crap team. Batum is a waste. I have a wee bit of hope that Steve Clifford coming back from an illness will somehow turn them around and they might finish around .500. BURN IT DOWN That team is way too expensive to be as bad as they are. Trade Kemba while you can, he's probably their most valuable asset if they're trying to kick-start a rebuild. I can think of a few teams who could use a guy like Batum as well, but that contract is probably a negative at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 11:24:33 GMT -6
Hornets scored their most points in a half ever with 77 to beat the Wiz. I'm not fooled, though. Crap team. Batum is a waste. I have a wee bit of hope that Steve Clifford coming back from an illness will somehow turn them around and they might finish around .500. BURN IT DOWN That team is way too expensive to be as bad as they are. Trade Kemba while you can, he's probably their most valuable asset if they're trying to kick-start a rebuild. I can think of a few teams who could use a guy like Batum as well, but that contract is probably a negative at this point. Kemba is the best player they've had since the 90s practically. The city loves him. He sells the tickets. No one else sells the tickets on that team. It is an option if the owners wanted to "burn it down", so they can rebuild for a dozen years and still be in 9th place like the 76ers, sure. Great idea. A better idea would be to keep him forever and trade just about anyone else. Trading him and building the team around Batum simply because he's expensive is a shitty idea, imho. |
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Post by Blue42 on Jan 18, 2018 12:15:11 GMT -6
BURN IT DOWN That team is way too expensive to be as bad as they are. Trade Kemba while you can, he's probably their most valuable asset if they're trying to kick-start a rebuild. I can think of a few teams who could use a guy like Batum as well, but that contract is probably a negative at this point. It is an option if the owners wanted to "burn it down", so they can rebuild for a dozen years and still be in 9th place like the 76ers, sure. Great idea. A better idea would be to keep him forever and trade just about anyone else. Trading him and building the team around Batum simply because he's expensive is a shitty idea, imho. I would've said the exact same thing about Jimmy Butler last year, but Chicago's rebuild has gone really well so far. Trade your most valuable asset while he's at his peak and you can get as much as possible for him, then do whatever you can do to get rid of the rest of your aging/overpaid guys (as the Bulls did with Rondo and Wade). The Jazz trade of Deron Williams back in 2011 is the same concept, getting back Derrick Favors and two first round picks. Wasn't D-Will Utah's best player since Stockton/Malone as well?
His current contract is a bargain (as was Butler's), but Kemba is going to be a 29-year-old undersized point guard who is going to demand a 5-year max contract in the summer of 2019. How has that worked for the Grizzlies?
Kemba is basically in the same boat as Isaiah Thomas, and Danny Ainge was smart enough to get away from that when he had the chance. Trust me, I'm not a Kemba hater. I love watching the guy. But he's not going to be a part of the next good Hornets team.
Nowhere above do I suggest building around Batum is a good idea. He's a good role player on a shitty contract that continues to escalate up to $27 million in its final year. They'd probably have to attach a pick or another asset at this point to get rid of him. But at least he can play, unlike Parsons, Noah, Mozgov, Deng and a bunch of those other guys who signed similarly shitty contracts that summer.
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Post by andrewvb on Jan 18, 2018 12:39:05 GMT -6
Chicago's rebuild has gone really well so far.  |
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Post by dij22 on Jan 18, 2018 12:46:01 GMT -6
Kemba is the best player they've had since the 90s practically. The city loves him. He sells the tickets. No one else sells the tickets on that team.It is an option if the owners wanted to "burn it down", so they can rebuild for a dozen years and still be in 9th place like the 76ers, sure. Great idea. A better idea would be to keep him forever and trade just about anyone else. Trading him and building the team around Batum simply because he's expensive is a shitty idea, imho. Chicago's rebuild has gone really well so far. 28th in Offense 26th in Defense Winning just enough to put themselves out of a great lottery pick Lauri Markkanen is Channing Frye Zach LaVine will be a max player despite being the worst defensive player in the history of the NBA Denzel Valentine is ass Bobby Portis is ass Kris Dunn just broke his face |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 12:53:47 GMT -6
Chicago is 1.5 games behind Charlotte right now. Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis?
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Post by Blue42 on Jan 18, 2018 12:57:48 GMT -6
You can't judge the rebuild on this season. The important thing is that Lauri, Dunn and even Lavine in his limited minutes have looked better than expected and they now have three pieces to build around for the future. You, for some reason, are way lower on Lauri than myself and the majority of people who watch the league. The next step is finding a long-term center who fits next to Lauri, whether it be drafting a guy like Bamba or whatever. That Felicio contract looks like shit right now though.
Portis can't be considered part of the rebuild since he was there before they traded Rose, Butler, Taj, etc. But yeah, he sucks.
I didn't love Denzel when they drafted him, but he's grown on me. I just wish they'd play him as the backup PG instead of out of position at the 3. He's never going to be a star but he'll probably be a decent rotation player for another 8 years and that's not a bad value for where they drafted him.
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Post by teekoh on Jan 18, 2018 13:52:41 GMT -6
Chicago is 1.5 games behind Charlotte right now. Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis? " Local trash fire slightly more odorous than Charlotte trash fire." Also, if it's too early to judge the rebuild why are folks so quick to say that it's going well? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 13:55:47 GMT -6
I love how the Bulls finally got one right with Markkanen and people are conveniently forgetting how much of a dumpster fire Bulls management has been with draft picks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 13:57:15 GMT -6
Like, congrats to Phil for drafting Kristaps, but no one in their right mind was advocating for him to stick around because of it. I'm baffled that GarPax are allowed to oversee this rebuild and everyone seems cool with it because the Bulls went on a winning streak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 13:59:18 GMT -6
Chicago is 1.5 games behind Charlotte right now. Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis? " Local trash fire slightly more odorous than Charlotte trash fire." Also, if it's too early to judge the rebuild why are folks so quick to say that it's going well? Just to clarify, I wasn't saying Charlotte is a good team because their record is slightly better (The Hornets are terrible right now, no denying). I was saying it's dumb to argue that a rebuild is the obvious choice using Chicago as the example. |
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Post by dij22 on Jan 18, 2018 14:12:37 GMT -6
I love how the Bulls finally got one right with Markkanen and people are conveniently forgetting how much of a dumpster fire Bulls management has been with draft picks. I also think people are waaay too willing to ignore the downsides of Markkanen. He got off to a hot start, but if you remove his first seven games he's only shooting 42% from the field and 36% from 3. If he didn't start out hot and that 7 game stretch was just randomly in January, I think people would be pessimistic about Lauri as a building block. His True Shooting % is 44th among power forwards. He can't rebound, he doesn't get blocks or steals, and he's a very suspect defender. He can't play the 5 in the modern NBA, so what are we really left with here? Danilo Galinari? Ersan Ilyasova? Another Niko Mirotic? |
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Post by teekoh on Jan 18, 2018 14:12:59 GMT -6
Agreed.
This was in response to stelles, fwiw
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Post by andrewvb on Jan 18, 2018 14:18:50 GMT -6
maybe i dont listen to enough sports radio. luckily bulls games are fun to watch, but outside of that i dont know anyone with optimism about the team currently.
i think markkanen is a little better than dij is giving him credit for, though.
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Post by dij22 on Jan 18, 2018 14:20:30 GMT -6
Also Kris Dunn can't shoot and he's already going to be 24 in a couple months. What's his ceiling, George Hill at best? Where does that get us?
Zach LaVine On a Max Contract was truly atrocious defensively, and then he tore his ACL. We're supposed to buy him as the 3rd best player on a title team?
And now they've played themselves out of an elite pick, so we're basically the Kings or the Magic now.
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Post by Blue42 on Jan 18, 2018 14:39:30 GMT -6
Also Kris Dunn can't shoot and he's already going to be 24 in a couple months. What's his ceiling, George Hill at best? Where does that get us? Zach LaVine On a Max Contract was truly atrocious defensively, and then he tore his ACL. We're supposed to buy him as the 3rd best player on a title team? And now they've played themselves out of an elite pick, so we're basically the Kings or the Magic now. George Hill was good enough to start for a Pacers team that was the 3rd seed in the East and had the Lebron James Heat down 2-1 in the Conference Semifinals.
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Post by Tweet on Jan 18, 2018 14:43:55 GMT -6
Remember when the tall Finnish dude beat the Unicorn at his own game a few weeks ago? That was a fun basketball time.
(Everything sucks except the Cubs in Chicago sports though)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 14:44:37 GMT -6
Nah the Sox are the most fun 65 win team in baseball history.
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Post by dij22 on Jan 18, 2018 15:16:06 GMT -6
Also Kris Dunn can't shoot and he's already going to be 24 in a couple months. What's his ceiling, George Hill at best? Where does that get us? Zach LaVine On a Max Contract was truly atrocious defensively, and then he tore his ACL. We're supposed to buy him as the 3rd best player on a title team? And now they've played themselves out of an elite pick, so we're basically the Kings or the Magic now. George Hill was good enough to start for a Pacers team that was the 3rd seed in the East and had the Lebron James Heat down 2-1 in the Conference Semifinals.
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Post by dij22 on Jan 18, 2018 15:23:54 GMT -6
In all seriousness, that wasn't meant to disparage George Hill; he's obviously a good player. But even if Dunn is an above average PG, and even if Markkanen is a star, I still think Bulls fans are unwilling to acknowledge how far away this cores would be from even 50 wins.
Look at the Nuggets. The Bulls would be ecstatic if Markkanen and Dunn became as valuable as Jokic and Harris respectively. LaVine and Jamal Murray's impact won't be that different. Maybe the Bulls add a veteran guy like Millsap next year.
The Nuggets are still only 23-22 this year.
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Post by Blue42 on Jan 18, 2018 16:15:24 GMT -6
In all seriousness, that wasn't meant to disparage George Hill; he's obviously a good player. But even if Dunn is an above average PG, and even if Markkanen is a star, I still think Bulls fans are unwilling to acknowledge how far away this cores would be from even 50 wins. Look at the Nuggets. The Bulls would be ecstatic if Markkanen and Dunn became as valuable as Jokic and Harris respectively. LaVine and Jamal Murray's impact won't be that different. Maybe the Bulls add a veteran guy like Millsap next year. The Nuggets are still only 23-22 this year.
For what it's worth, I agree with you more than most of the people on here on this topic. I was actually going to make a Nuggets comparison earlier. Like the Nuggets, it's ok to have one guard who is suspect on D (Lavine, Murray) if you have another one who makes up for it (Dunn, Harris). And Jokic has similar defensive limitations to Lauri. The Bulls guys are obviously not as good as the three Nuggets guys (yet), but it's a decent comparison. I think both teams are still searching for a 3 and 5 who complement their three key pieces. Millsap is obviously not the long term answer next to Jokic.
The good thing is that the Bulls will be one of very few teams with cap space this summer. The big guys (Lebron, George, Cousins, etc.) are probably out of the question, but who's to say they couldn't make a run at a guy like Rodney Hood or Clint Capela.
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Post by teekoh on Jan 18, 2018 16:21:07 GMT -6
Hopefully Rodney Hood, cuz Clint Capela on a team without any shooters would be disastrous.
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Post by rango420 on Jan 18, 2018 16:56:56 GMT -6
The issue with the Nuggets argument is that if they were in the East they would probably be the 2nd seed and the favorite to win the East
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Post by rango420 on Jan 18, 2018 17:01:00 GMT -6
I honestly think with a beefed up bench this bulls team is a Eastern conference contender.
It'd be cool if we could make the Felicio contract go away and trade Lopez for a pick and make a run at Boogie in the off season but *shrug*
I also think a pretty good young Bulls team is significantly more likely to get an all star off season than a shitty bulls team with a bunch of draft picks.
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Post by dij22 on Jan 18, 2018 21:20:01 GMT -6
I honestly think with a beefed up bench this bulls team is a Eastern conference contender. It'd be cool if we could make the Felicio contract go away and trade Lopez for a pick and make a run at Boogie in the off season but *shrug* I also think a pretty good young Bulls team is significantly more likely to get an all star off season than a shitty bulls team with a bunch of draft picks. I am definitely intrigued by a Boogie addition but I really worry about how he would be anchoring a frontcourt without a versatile monster like Anthony Davis playing with him. Honestly I've already just accepted the fact that the Bulls will be a pointless team until Anthony Davis inevitably joins the team in 3 years. |
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Post by Blue42 on Jan 19, 2018 9:35:34 GMT -6
Burn. It. Down.
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