Albums With Anniversaries Today

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Lots of music is getting older, and you are too. Let's celebrate albums that are 10+ years in this thread.

To get us started, this one is 20 years tomorrow:

[thebosma]

27 years!

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edit: what the fuck is this thread

[chvrchbarrel]

Can't believe I almost forgot to celebrate the 4 month & 8 day anniversary of Pinkus Abortion Technician

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what the fuck is this thread and what evil fuck decided to make another thread that starts with "album"

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That would be me

[fivehole]

...And Justice for All turns 30 on Spetember 5th and it looks like it is getting the giant Metallica box set treatment.

[cosmo]

This just turned 40 3 days ago.

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“Last splash” is 25 today

[venom]

these two albums are 15 years old today:



and this one is 22 years old today:

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Sad Songs is 15? That's fuckin nutty to me

[chvrchbarrel]

re: ...And Justice For All

I am not a huge Metallica fan, but I like this and Kill 'Em All a lot. One thing I've read over and over again is that ...AJFA is pretty much "forever" ruined due to the way the bass is mastered on the original cuts. Does anyone know more about this? I see conflicting points all over the place, like

a: the bass parts were RECORDED the way they sound on the album, therefore they cannot be re-mastered and brought into the mix
b: the bass parts were MASTERED the way they sound on the album, and the original tapes could salvage a remaster of the album, bringing the bass forward
c: none of the above

I feel like if we're talking about ...AJFA it's worth discussing.

[facts]

I'm fairly certain it's B. The issue is that they're turned so low in the mix just as the initiation for the decade long hazing of Newsted. I'd imagine that they could remaster it but people would flip. Not that it wouldn't sound better, but Metallica nerds are really insufferable.

[chvrchbarrel]

Sept 4, 2018 8:58:04 GMT -6 facts said:

I'm fairly certain it's B. The issue is that they're turned so low in the mix just as the initiation for the decade long hazing of Newsted. I'd imagine that they could remaster it but people would flip. Not that it wouldn't sound better, but Metallica nerds are really insufferable.

It baffles me that the Metallica nerds would rather hear an album with an objectively horribly mixed bass track, rather than a pristine mastering of what Metallica would've sounded like if they'd just done it right.

I do believe you, it just baffles me. Really hope there's at least a bonus disc/vinyl release in one of these editions that will have a remastering of the album.

[andrewvb]

for the same reason it was dumb to go back and put digital effects into star wars.

[chvrchbarrel]

Sept 4, 2018 9:25:13 GMT -6 andrewvb said:

for the same reason it was dumb to go back and put digital effects into star wars.

So wait, your perspective is that they shouldn't ever release a remaster of the album with a better-mixed bass track? "Let it exist as it exists," per se?

This is different to me than your Star Wars example, because I'm pretty sure if all those effects were actually in the original film that George Lucas shot, and subsequently covered up, their unveiling would have been a different thing. If there were lines of dialogue in Star Wars where you could see the characters' mouths moving, but the audio was mixed almost out of the film, its restoration would be huge!

In my opinion, anyway, I know even less about Star Wars fans than I do about Metallica fans.

[andrewvb]

if the audio of the dialogue was missing because it was originally there and then over the years it got lost (?) somehow (which only would make sense if star wars was made in the early cinema days, but lets ignore that) then it would be huge if a copy of star wars was found with the dialogue as it was originally intended to be.

however, in the case of metallica, and justice for all represents the artist's intent. the bass guitar part wasn't present but accidentally deleted and no copies of it remain. remixing it wouldn't be restoring anything, it would be changing the original work. further, the bass isn't missing on and justice for all, it's just low in the mix.

they could do something like the beatles did when they released let it be: naked, a separate alternate release of the album that stripped away the overproduction. but to rerelease and justice for all with a new mix for all future versions would be bad.

[facts]

Sept 4, 2018 9:13:29 GMT -6 chvrchbarrel said:

Sept 4, 2018 8:58:04 GMT -6 facts said:

I'm fairly certain it's B. The issue is that they're turned so low in the mix just as the initiation for the decade long hazing of Newsted. I'd imagine that they could remaster it but people would flip. Not that it wouldn't sound better, but Metallica nerds are really insufferable.

It baffles me that the Metallica nerds would rather hear an album with an objectively horribly mixed bass track, rather than a pristine mastering of what Metallica would've sounded like if they'd just done it right.

I do believe you, it just baffles me. Really hope there's at least a bonus disc/vinyl release in one of these editions that will have a remastering of the album.

I just feel like Lars and James would never admit that they're wrong on anything and would leave things imprecise just on principle, and changing it would be like straightening out the leaning tower of Pisa.

It's a slippery slope though and I get it. There's probably things you could upgrade but then it starts to veer into George Lucas territory. No one disputes the fact that the original bass mix was intentional... so you kind of almost have to take it as a product of the times.

[facts]

Sept 4, 2018 9:25:13 GMT -6 andrewvb said:

for the same reason it was dumb to go back and put digital effects into star wars.

I wrote my comment before seeing this but tend to agree it starts to get into Lucas territory.

You could argue that turning the original bass up isn't like adding CGI, but once they start remixing it you know that Lars will re-record the drums and also add backing autotune vocals from Alex Turner.

[chvrchbarrel]

Sept 4, 2018 9:41:54 GMT -6 andrewvb said:

they could do something like the beatles did when they released let it be: naked, a separate alternate release of the album that stripped away the overproduction. but to rerelease and justice for all with a new mix for all future versions would be bad.

Okay, I guess splitting some hairs in this conversation would make sense, because I wholly agree with the bolded. To clarify, I think it would be worthwhile and in the exact vein of these "completionist" sets to bury whatever hatchet is left and remix the damn album as a bonus; albums are remixed and resold every few years and it doesn't conflict with our idea of anyone's integrity.

Where it gets dicey for me is examining the artist's intent, and trying to look at that from a more objective place. Jason Newsted was an artist in the band, and the rest of them produced the final mix without crediting or involving Newsted. Where does that leave his intent? It clearly was not to have his parts mixed so low they were almost inaudible.

Also the grief-induced reasoning behind the mix reeeeeeeeallly makes it look like they edited someone out of the band because they missed Cliff Burton. I get it. But to deny the fact that the music was almost without question released differently than it was originally meant to be heard is bothersome to me for some reason.

[fivehole]

Metallica has said they are never going to remix any of their albums so no mater what the master tapes sound like no one (other than the band and the people that recorded it) is going to hear them.

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my understanding of the metallica lore is that it was a mastering decision (because metallica pretty much self produced the first 4 albums and had no idea how mixing worked because they were drunk 20 somethings)

the og bass tracks likely exist because either those tracks or a newly recorded version of them were used for the Metallica Guitar Hero game that came out a while ago. there's actually a decent bootleg of AJFA that has the guitar hero bass tracks mixed in and it sounds decent.

they've done "remastered" versions of the first 3 albums so it's not impossible but as far as i've noticed they dont really fuck with the actual audio so much as they just add demo and bonus material.

[fivehole]

The first 3 albums have been remastered. They have not been remixed. I don't know enough about the process of mastering to know how much they could "fix" AJFA though. We'll find out when they release the remastered version very soon though.

The other issue with trying to add bass is that for much of the album Jason was just doubling the guitars so it doesn't stand out like Cliff's bass lines did. There is definitely plenty of low end on that album, it just all blends together and sounds like the guitars.

[unlikelyjapan]

Late Registration turned 13 last week. I remember when it leaked I was a freshman in college. My roommate was a able to get a copy and he drove me around while we listened to it. Man, I felt so fucking cool when "Drive Slow" came on

[venom]

this album is now 22 years old:



i went to the local record store after school to pick it up the day it was released. i didn't really like it at first and, for some reason, decided to tell that to my stepmom, who could not have cared less about almost any music i listened to.

[munkivelli]

Sept 10, 2018 22:01:04 GMT -6 venom said:

this album is now 22 years old:



i went to the local record store after school to pick it up the day it was released. i didn't really like it at first and, for some reason, decided to tell that to my stepmom, who could not have cared less about almost any music i listened to.

I got this as a birthday present on my 15th birthday, the day it was released... I pretty much loved it from first listen.

[venom]

i shoud clarify that New Adventures in Hi-Fi is one of my top 3 rem albums now. but, yeah, that first listen just didn't do a lot for me.

[venom]

these two albums are 17 years old today:



both of these played a significant role in developing my tastes to where they are today.

[zircona1]

Sept 10, 2018 22:01:04 GMT -6 venom said:

this album is now 22 years old:



i went to the local record store after school to pick it up the day it was released. i didn't really like it at first and, for some reason, decided to tell that to my stepmom, who could not have cared less about almost any music i listened to.

I went to a record store at midnight - do those still ever happen? - to buy it. I also wrote a review of it for the college newspaper. 

[sleeping]

Remember when they had to remove "NYC Cops" from the US version of Is This It? after it came out on 9/11?