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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 9:24:13 GMT -6
I don't care at all about him dying and am surprised there's anything resembling sympathy out there, but I do have the urge to listen to Exmilitary today. this is kinda one of my favorite drunk-rambling topics, but we -- as a whole -- have basically turned serial killers and cultists into borderline icons by constantly glamorizing their actions and ideologies and remembering everything about them and nothing about the victims. so i'm not surprised when i hear or read all this shit today that remembers Manson as someone worth remembering fondly. he became a legend in so much of hollywood, the music industry, literature, etc. over the years and we can't seem to let the tales go (ahem Tarantino ahem) |
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Post by Tweet on Nov 20, 2017 9:31:11 GMT -6
All I care about with Manson is the Beach Boys connection. Everything else is pretty much what Wretched said.
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Post by teekoh on Nov 20, 2017 9:58:43 GMT -6
The fascination piece certainly makes sense.
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Post by genghisnyc on Nov 20, 2017 10:42:00 GMT -6
charles manson
terry glenn
jana novotna
always comes in threes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 10:49:06 GMT -6
definitely seen about 10 or so posts from random musicians so far (metal and punk p much) who said something to the effect of "sad to hear about his death. he was a huge inspiration for my/our work. ...but i mean, the murders are fucked up and i totally dont like that part about him."
so they're okay with the race war bit? idk.
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Post by Javo on Nov 20, 2017 11:03:31 GMT -6
Anyone interested in the Manson case or true crime at all, should read Helter Skelter, it's great. true |
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Post by alady on Nov 20, 2017 11:51:25 GMT -6
I don't care at all about him dying and am surprised there's anything resembling sympathy out there, but I do have the urge to listen to Exmilitary today. this is kinda one of my favorite drunk-rambling topics, but we -- as a whole -- have basically turned serial killers and cultists into borderline icons by constantly glamorizing their actions and ideologies and remembering everything about them and nothing about the victims. so i'm not surprised when i hear or read all this shit today that remembers Manson as someone worth remembering fondly. he became a legend in so much of hollywood, the music industry, literature, etc. over the years and we can't seem to let the tales go (ahem Tarantino ahem) I mean what would we remember about the victims? We only remember the serial killers because they did something out of the ordinary, and most of the rehashing or glamorization is, in a way, trying to understand why they did it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 13:13:42 GMT -6
oh yeah im not saying every victim should have a documentary too, but i think we've gone way overboard with obsessing over the "story" behind serial killers that have already been told a million times and nothing new has come to light in decades.*
consequently i think the latter part of your statement has really deflated nowadays to where any movie or show or album about a serial killer is just either rehashed or nearly fictitious at this point (Aquarius, for instance)
i say this as a consumer of all this shit. not throwing stones or anything. i just think it's weird that i'm interested in artists who are interested in making someone like Manson a celebrity -- to bring the convo back around.
*i guess we do this for historical shitheads like hitler too and i dont get bothered by that nearly as much. so i admit it's all hypocritical pedantry on my part.
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Post by sleeping on Nov 20, 2017 15:21:30 GMT -6
Anyone interested in the Manson case or true crime at all, should read Helter Skelter, it's great. A really good biography of him by Jeff Guinn came out not too long ago. It focuses on his early life, how he was a criminal basically since childhood, and goes into a lot of detail about the "making" of his cult and the things they did. I read it this past summer and definitely recommend it. edit: re: "fascination," above. That's what he did -- he fascinated people. The book goes into this a lot, but Manson had an ability to make people like him that practically rose to the level of supernatural power. |
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Post by ten15 on Nov 20, 2017 16:05:21 GMT -6
Anyone interested in the Manson case or true crime at all, should read Helter Skelter, it's great. A really good biography of him by Jeff Guinn came out not too long ago. It focuses on his early life, how he was a criminal basically since childhood, and goes into a lot of detail about the "making" of his cult and the things they did. I read it this past summer and definitely recommend it. edit: re: "fascination," above. That's what he did -- he fascinated people. The book goes into this a lot, but Manson had an ability to make people like him that practically rose to the level of supernatural power. I read that too. Good read. Also, Bugliosi wrote "And the Sea Will Tell" another fact based account of a crime that I enjoyed reading too. |
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Post by Kamera on Nov 21, 2017 23:28:52 GMT -6
RIP David Cassidy
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Post by mookie on Dec 13, 2017 6:54:28 GMT -6
Pat DiNizio from the Smithereens  |
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Post by zircona1 on Dec 13, 2017 8:16:27 GMT -6
Damn. I always liked 'Blues Before and After' and 'Strangers When We Meet'.
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Post by cosmo on Dec 13, 2017 9:09:15 GMT -6
I saw the Smithereens a few times. That is sad. A lot of great songs. My favorites were "House we used to live in" and "Behind the wall of sleep."
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Post by nanatod on Dec 13, 2017 13:31:58 GMT -6
I only saw the smithereens once. it was when they headlined xrt's free day at tinley with crowded house, richard thompson, and liverpool's the farm as support acts. didn't remember the exact yr, so looked it up to see it was 1991.
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Post by claypoolfan on Dec 18, 2017 16:52:35 GMT -6
Ralph Carney died. He was really good at playing the saxophone.
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Post by claypoolfan on Dec 18, 2017 16:55:18 GMT -6
Had no idea he was Patrick carney's uncle and also made the bojak horseman theme song.
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Post by ten15 on Dec 18, 2017 17:06:26 GMT -6
But did he like Bodak Yellow?
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Post by teekoh on Dec 18, 2017 20:21:45 GMT -6
According to an Instagram/Facebook post, MF Doom’s son has died at 14. I had no idea he had a kid.
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Post by doso on Dec 19, 2017 7:29:37 GMT -6
Not sure if he was a celebrity, but DJ Kaleb Freitas died when a stage collapsed (or more accurately, the sound reinforcement and light rigs collapsed) due to high winds at an EDM festival in Brazil yesterday. |
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Post by Kamera on Dec 19, 2017 16:37:54 GMT -6
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Post by sthubbins on Dec 20, 2017 10:29:17 GMT -6
combat jack died
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Post by concertgoer on Dec 22, 2017 9:15:17 GMT -6
Dick Enberg died.
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Post by teekoh on Jan 3, 2018 15:44:45 GMT -6
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Post by Blue42 on Jan 11, 2018 10:13:46 GMT -6
RIP “Fast” Eddie Clarke.
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Post by neader on Jan 15, 2018 11:27:37 GMT -6
Dolores O'Riordan, lead singer of the Cranberries.
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Post by Tweet on Jan 15, 2018 11:34:17 GMT -6
Dolores O'Riordan, lead singer of the Cranberries. Oh wow. Only 46 too |
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Post by Javo on Jan 15, 2018 11:47:54 GMT -6
Holy.....
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Post by Pale Hose on Jan 15, 2018 11:48:16 GMT -6
Damn.
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Post by Pale Hose on Jan 15, 2018 11:50:53 GMT -6
They scrapped a fall tour last year because of health reasons. I'm sad to say I never got to see them live despite plenty of opportunities.
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