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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 20:09:52 GMT -6
I was legit just coming here to post that.
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Post by unlikelyjapan on Mar 2, 2018 21:21:42 GMT -6
Watching the Mavs out tank the Bulls was so frustrating. In the final minutes of the game they had Dirk guarding Nwaba on defense and then standing in the corner on offense
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Post by Blue42 on Mar 3, 2018 12:07:30 GMT -6
Watching the Mavs out tank the Bulls was so frustrating. In the final minutes of the game they had Dirk guarding Nwaba on defense and then standing in the corner on offense I love Dirk, but I really hope he doesn't come back next year. He's really slowing the development of that team. And it's gotten really hard for me to watch the Mavs anymore, much in the same way it was hard for me to watch the last couple Undertaker matches. Every. Thing. Hurts.
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Post by dij22 on Mar 4, 2018 11:55:20 GMT -6
Guys there is still plenty of room on the Lauri Markkanen Is Ass bandwagon.
There are 41 players in the league averaging at least 5.5 3-point attempts per game.
Only five of those players have a worse 3P% than Markkanen.
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Post by dij22 on Mar 4, 2018 11:58:57 GMT -6
I forgot to add that his defensive stats are truly horrific. Can't think of a worse defensive duo to build a team around than Markkanen/Lavine.
#Garpax
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:00:21 GMT -6
When the dude has a bad game he's truly trash, but I think that kind of clouds the stats. He's had way too many 1-11 or 3-15 shooting days. I think Markkanen will be fine, and he's a good piece to build around. Lavine isn't showing me much at all other than a presence in clutch situations (against bad teams, but still), and I'm worried Garpax will overpay to justify the deal that brought him here.
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Post by Blue42 on Mar 4, 2018 13:06:19 GMT -6
Tank race in full force today as the 19-win Hawks are sitting Bazemore for "maintenance" against the 19-win Suns. It'll be fun to see if Phoenix tries to trump that move by scratching Booker as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 13:10:09 GMT -6
Considering how many top 5 picks never amount to anything, this whole tanking thing is weird.
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Post by dij22 on Mar 4, 2018 13:29:02 GMT -6
Considering how many top 5 picks never amount to anything, this whole tanking thing is weird. Seriously. I get tanking if there is a can't miss future hall of famer like Anthony Davis, but so many teams are throwing away multiple seasons to maaaybe get a guy like Devin Booker, who might be the 4th best player on a title team.
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Post by Blue42 on Mar 4, 2018 13:37:50 GMT -6
Most of these teams who are tanking this year are teams with shitty player evaluation and development programs (Atlanta is probably the lone exception to that). So, I think it's more about trusting the consensus over your own staff, whereas quality franchises like San Antonio, Utah, Toronto, Miami, etc. continue to find gems in the late first round and never really have to resort to tanking.
How many lottery picks have franchises like the Suns and Kings had in the last few years? And how many of those players have panned out? Booker is basically the only one.
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Post by dij22 on Mar 4, 2018 14:00:32 GMT -6
Great point, but there really aren't that many true impact players anyway.
From 2008-2012, there were nine top-5 picks who went on to make an All-Star team and an All-NBA team: Rose, Westbrook, Love, Harden, Griffin, Wall, Cousins, Irving, and Davis. Not a super scientific analysis (especially since there were stars later in these drafts) but basically if you had a top-5 pick, there was a 36% chance of getting a star.
And from 2013-2016, it seems like only Oladipo, Embiid, Towns, and Porzingis have a chance to do that. And maybe Simmons and Ingram from 2017?
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Post by totally on Mar 4, 2018 14:01:00 GMT -6
Guys there is still plenty of room on the Lauri Markkanen Is Ass bandwagon. There are 41 players in the league averaging at least 5.5 3-point attempts per game. Only five of those players have a worse 3P% than Markkanen. "lauri markkanen is going to be bad at shooting" is an interesting position to stake out
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Post by dij22 on Mar 4, 2018 14:03:05 GMT -6
Guys there is still plenty of room on the Lauri Markkanen Is Ass bandwagon. There are 41 players in the league averaging at least 5.5 3-point attempts per game. Only five of those players have a worse 3P% than Markkanen. "lauri markkanen is going to be bad at shooting" is an interesting position to stake out To be clear my position is "lauri markkanen is going to be bad at everything"
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Post by totally on Mar 4, 2018 14:09:22 GMT -6
i'm just saying that "among the subset of the highest-volume three point shooters in the nba, the guy who's in his rookie season is one of the worst shooters" is not a particularly interesting or damning factoid
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Post by dij22 on Mar 4, 2018 14:36:10 GMT -6
Idk I think it's interesting that a guy who literally has zero other skills is failing at the one thing he's widely considered good at.
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Post by totally on Mar 4, 2018 15:38:14 GMT -6
Idk I think it's interesting that a guy who literally has zero other skills is failing at the one thing he's widely considered good at. it's ridiculous to say a rookie shooting 35% from three on a very high volume (on a team lacking other offensive weapons) is "failing," particularly considering this number is being thrown out in the immediate wake of a prolonged slump that is out of character with the rest of his season/career
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Post by Blue42 on Mar 5, 2018 19:09:47 GMT -6
No Kyrie for the Celtics tonight. Feels like a trap game in the tank race for the Bulls.
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Post by unlikelyjapan on Mar 5, 2018 19:44:32 GMT -6
Oh man, it doesn't look the Celtics even have players bad enough to not run up the score tonight
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Post by dij22 on Mar 5, 2018 20:03:39 GMT -6
Bulls have 29 points at halftime.
#tank
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Post by Tweet on Mar 5, 2018 20:24:16 GMT -6
They're doing a great job!
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Post by llamaoftime on Mar 5, 2018 20:37:58 GMT -6
Considering how many top 5 picks never amount to anything, this whole tanking thing is weird. it sort of kind of worked for philly. I mean they certainly drafted some busts with their top picks but I feel like they are looking at a much brighter future right now than a lot of these teams that stayed kind of just mediocre and around the later playoff spots yeah, they are only 2 for 4 with those top picks but I feel like Simmons + Embiid is a solid core to build around, they have the cap room to add a free agent, and the years at the bottom gave them time to develop some key glue players like a Robert Covington. If they can bring in one more player, and they are looking like more of an attractive team to go to, then they might have something there. I should add that I'm way too big a fan of Sam Hinkie
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 21:13:39 GMT -6
Yeah but they had to suck for a fucking long time and there is no one in this draft class along the lines of Simmons or Embiid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 21:14:14 GMT -6
They also used a number 1 pick on a guy who has to reinvent his jump shot, so that's fun.
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Post by dij22 on Mar 5, 2018 21:28:25 GMT -6
Considering how many top 5 picks never amount to anything, this whole tanking thing is weird. it sort of kind of worked for philly. I mean they certainly drafted some busts with their top picks but I feel like they are looking at a much brighter future right now than a lot of these teams that stayed kind of just mediocre and around the later playoff spots yeah, they are only 2 for 4 with those top picks but I feel like Simmons + Embiid is a solid core to build around, they have the cap room to add a free agent, and the years at the bottom gave them time to develop some key glue players like a Robert Covington. If they can bring in one more player, and they are looking like more of an attractive team to go to, then they might have something there. I should add that I'm way too big a fan of Sam Hinkie We're in year 5 of the Sixersrebuild. That's an extremely long time to just throw away. That's four truly dreadful years for Philly fans and a fifth where they will likely get knocked out of the first round of the playoffs. Obviously Embiid and Simmons are awesome, but that's 150 million devoted to a guy with frightening durability concerns and a PG who probably won't even fit next to a ball dominant wing player (if they somehow miraculously land LeBron).
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Post by goodson on Mar 5, 2018 21:29:51 GMT -6
ya i agree with scoots - i don't want to watch my team be trash for a whole season just to maybe get someone good -
there is something to be said for just like, being competitive and fun to watch, i don't need them to compete for the championship
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Post by dij22 on Mar 5, 2018 21:31:41 GMT -6
Also I will say that I was a fan of what Hinkie was doing at the time, but seeing how lifeless and depressing Bulls games have been over the past couple years has really changed my mind. A major market team with such an incredible history should not be giving away hundreds of playoff tickets for free.
I understand if a small market team wants to take the Hinkie route because they have no other choice to get premium talent. But I really think it's horrible for basketball if we have major legacy teams tanking for multiple years all for a chance at a guy with the yips.
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Post by totally on Mar 5, 2018 21:44:18 GMT -6
the sixers weren't bad for an abnormal amount of time; there was just no artifice masking how bad they were. i think it was a fine strategy, albeit one that would be less successful today considering how many other people have glommed onto the same general concept.
i think this year's draft has kind of obscured how silly it is for this many teams to tank at the same time. there isn't a huge gap between the top 6 or 7 prospects, so all of the tanking teams can talk themselves into thinking they're getting one of the best 2-3 dudes even if they don't get a top-3 pick
but if this was all playing out in 2016, you'd have the bulls, magic, nets, kings and hawks ending up with dragan bender, kris dunn, buddy hield, jamal murray and marquese chriss. the high-mid lottery can produce really good players but it's generally not a place worth bending over backwards to end up
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Post by dij22 on Mar 5, 2018 21:45:17 GMT -6
Like I don't know why the Sixers are held up as a premier team building model when the fucking Pacers are better than them.
Thad Young, Bojan Bogdanovic, and Darren Collison average 30mpg+ for them.
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Post by totally on Mar 5, 2018 21:49:49 GMT -6
and from the outside looking in, i think it might have been easier for philly people to cope with their rebuild because hinkie went full-bore in stripping the team of veterans + churning through a bunch of young g-league level guys searching for keepers
one of the worst parts of being a bulls fan this season is being conflicted when they do well, and being kind of openly upset when it's guys like justin holiday/robin lopez contributing to a win. if the rotation was fleshed out with a few more nwaba/blakeney type dudes, it would be easier to focus on player development first and foremost, and i would probably be less reserved in my excitement whenever the team did win a game
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Post by dij22 on Mar 5, 2018 21:52:45 GMT -6
the high-mid lottery can produce really good players but it's generally not a place worth bending over backwards to end up Definitely. It really is absurd that the Bulls have thrown away an entire season just to draft 9th overall while a good team trying to win like the Jazz will draft 13th.
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