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Post by Pale Hose on Sept 23, 2017 11:32:19 GMT -6
Melo to OKC.
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Post by Blue42 on Sept 23, 2017 11:44:54 GMT -6
Thunder now clearly the second best team in the West, IMO.
I assume they'll start Russ, Roberson, PG, Melo and Adams. And they have guys like Felton, Abrines, Grant, and Patterson off the bench. Also helps them potentially compete with the Warriors because they kept their long, athletic defensive guys and Kanter/McDermott are basically unplayable in the playoffs (especially against GS) anyway.
To make this deal without giving up one of your young assets like Abrines or Ferguson is also brilliant. Another absolute fleecing for Sam Presti.
For New York, I'm pretty sure they'd be better off just buying Melo out. Kanter is certainly going to opt-in on his $18 million next summer, so they're now paying Noah and Kanter a combined $36 million per year for the next two seasons, when those frontcourt minutes should really be used to develop Porzingis and Hernangomez.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 11:48:58 GMT -6
That's a really bad return for NY. Great job by Phil making that relationship so toxic they really had no choice but to trade him.
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Post by dij22 on Sept 23, 2017 12:09:38 GMT -6
For New York, I'm pretty sure they'd be better off just buying Melo out. Kanter is certainly going to opt-in on his $18 million next summer, so they're now paying Noah and Kanter a combined $36 million per year for the next two seasons, when those frontcourt minutes should really be used to develop Porzingis and Hernangomez. Melo is making $54 mil over the next two seasons, so they're saving $9 mil a year for two years by replacing him with Kanter. It's not like he would have given up tens of millions in a buyout. And it's not like Kanter and McDermott are terrible and unplayable. I'm also confused why people though New York could get a monster return for Carmelo? He's 33 years old, getting paid a shitload for two years, and has been the leader of atrocious teams for several years. Kanter, McDermott, and a 2nd sounds about right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 12:14:37 GMT -6
Huh... should be interesting to see how those guys get along. Their team salary gotta be outrageous.
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Post by dij22 on Sept 23, 2017 12:18:37 GMT -6
Also OKC becomes a super interesting landing spot if a Wade buyout happens. Russ/Wade/PG/Carmelo/Adams is very fun.
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Post by borracho on Sept 23, 2017 12:32:54 GMT -6
oh man. i go out for a bike ride and my phone's going crazy. so stoked for this thunder team! they have given up just pieces to get melo and paul george. gonna be fun! or a trainwreck ;-)
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Post by Blue42 on Sept 23, 2017 12:38:51 GMT -6
For New York, I'm pretty sure they'd be better off just buying Melo out. Kanter is certainly going to opt-in on his $18 million next summer, so they're now paying Noah and Kanter a combined $36 million per year for the next two seasons, when those frontcourt minutes should really be used to develop Porzingis and Hernangomez. Melo is making $54 mil over the next two seasons, so they're saving $9 mil a year for two years by replacing him with Kanter. It's not like he would have given up tens of millions in a buyout. And it's not like Kanter and McDermott are terrible and unplayable. I'm also confused why people though New York could get a monster return for Carmelo? He's 33 years old, getting paid a shitload for two years, and has been the leader of atrocious teams for several years. Kanter, McDermott, and a 2nd sounds about right. Kanter and McDermott are unplayable on a good team, especially in the playoffs. They can't defend, and are instantly exploitable in a 7-game series. You saw that last year in the first round against Houston. I don't think anyone expected New York to get a huge return for Carmelo, especially after what Sacramento, Chicago, Indiana got for Cousins, Butler and George. But in all of those trades, the returns included at least one positive asset, be it in the form of a young player on a rookie deal or a first round pick. The Knicks received no positive assets in this deal. The Kanter contract is a negative contract that OKC has been shopping for over a year. McDermott is a restricted free agent this summer, and he has shown nothing to suggest he's worth offering a long-term deal, so I assume both parties viewed him as salary filler and merely an expiring contract. Plus, as I mentioned before, the Knicks were already saturated in their frontcourt minutes. They needed to figure out a way to get Porzingis and Hernangomez more minutes together, and now you've got two overpaid one-way Centers in Noah and Kanter eating those minutes, and it's not like you can play the two of them together.
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Post by teekoh on Sept 23, 2017 12:54:28 GMT -6
This season is going to be so fun.
Except for the Bulls of course. I really wish league pass wasn't so shitty.
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Post by dij22 on Sept 23, 2017 12:55:59 GMT -6
Literally zero teams would have given up a real asset for Melo though. So the choice wasn't Kanter/McDermott vs. young controllable asset, but rather Kanter/McDermott vs. nothing after a buyout.
And there are 96 frontcourt minutes to go around. It's not like Porzingis would be playing 42mpg or anything, and it's not like Hernangomez is instantly going to scale up into 36mpg this year. Porzingis/Kanter/Hernangomez/Noah's Corpse is a perfectly sensible big man rotation.
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Post by Blue42 on Sept 23, 2017 14:11:17 GMT -6
Portland was heavily rumored to have a deal in place with New York if Carmelo were to accept a trade to Portland. The deal was said to be centered around Moe Harkless and an expiring contract or two (Probably Ed Davis and Noah Vonleh). But Harkless is a 24-year-old starting caliber SF who is a good defender, and New York desperately needs defense in that spot with their other starting wing being Tim Hardaway. Harkless is making just around $10 million per year for the next 3 seasons. That's regarded as a valuable contract by almost anyone in the league, and is probably the one positive contract the Blazers have signed in the last few years.
The Allen Crabbe trade to Brooklyn made Harkless less expendable, so I'm not sure if that deal was still on the table. But there's one example of a positive asset someone was willing to offer for Carmelo.
You're also forgetting about Kyle O'Quinn. They have 5 guys who should all be getting minutes at the 5.
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Post by Blue42 on Sept 24, 2017 17:45:05 GMT -6
The Bulls finally re-signed Mirotic. 2/$27 with a team option on the second year.
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Post by iasm on Sept 24, 2017 21:01:42 GMT -6
Agreed to a buyout with Wade as well, he's giving back $8 mil
Let the tank begin.
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Post by rango420 on Sept 24, 2017 21:03:10 GMT -6
Is wade going to OKC?
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Post by rango420 on Sept 24, 2017 21:24:17 GMT -6
Westbrook-Wade-Carmelo-George-Adams with Roberson off the bench is going to be insane
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Post by concertgoer on Sept 24, 2017 21:33:36 GMT -6
According to ESPN Cleveland is the favorite to sign him.
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Post by teekoh on Sept 25, 2017 8:19:52 GMT -6
I saw that the teams with the most money to offer were Miami and the Spurs, followed by CLE and OKC. I wouldn't be surprised by any of the above.
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Post by Kamera on Sept 25, 2017 8:26:39 GMT -6
I officially stopped following the Bulls when they signed Wade. The front office is a complete mess, and I'm sorry for any die-hard Bulls fans who have to put up with this nonsense.
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Post by teekoh on Sept 25, 2017 8:38:31 GMT -6
I've watched just about every Bulls game my whole life and I don't think I'll watch more than 2-3 this season. They're brutal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 8:50:32 GMT -6
I've watched just about every Bulls game my whole life and I don't think I'll watch more than 2-3 this season. They're brutal. I'm the opposite this year b/c the past few years were just basketball hell. I'll definitely watch when LaVine is able to play while also watching the progress of their first rounder. I'm sticking with believing the dude is the real deal.
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Post by teekoh on Sept 25, 2017 8:52:52 GMT -6
Yeah, dude seems good. I have nothing against any of the players, but the front office has made me so mad that I won't be able to stomach watching them.
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Post by rango420 on Sept 25, 2017 8:54:03 GMT -6
this team is more interesting insofar as that I have no idea how they will break 80 points a game
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Post by cardi bqtrain on Sept 25, 2017 8:54:38 GMT -6
RIP
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Post by Blue42 on Sept 25, 2017 8:57:55 GMT -6
Yeah, I'll probably watch the Bulls this year, if for no reason other than I actually like watching bad/developing teams.
Does seem like there's a logjam of bigs now though with RoLo, Felicia, Lauri, Niko and Portis. Maybe they'll be able to trade RoLo to a contender for another pick or something.
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Post by teekoh on Sept 25, 2017 8:58:46 GMT -6
this team is more interesting insofar as that I have no idea how they will break 80 points a game It's interesting in the sense that it's interesting to contemplate what hell might be like, not actually experience. It's interesting to think about how a professional basketball team might be that pathetic, not actually watch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 9:01:30 GMT -6
Yeah, I'll probably watch the Bulls this year, if for no reason other than I actually like watching bad/developing teams. Does seem like there's a logjam of bigs now though with RoLo, Felicia, Lauri, Niko and Portis. Maybe they'll be able to trade RoLo to a contender for another pick or something. Robin Lopez could also make a better PG than any of the actual PGs they currently have on the roster.
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Post by rango420 on Sept 25, 2017 9:02:57 GMT -6
I feel like this could be a MCW-sixers situation where since literally nobody can play basketball on this team a even moderately above average 1-3 could put up all star numbers and there is no way at this point in time to know who that will be
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Post by cardi bqtrain on Sept 25, 2017 9:05:02 GMT -6
I think Robin Lopez is the only player that will be starting opening night who could start for another team in the league
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Post by Blue42 on Sept 25, 2017 9:09:29 GMT -6
I feel like this could be a MCW-sixers situation where since literally nobody can play basketball on this team a even moderately above average 1-3 could put up all star numbers and there is no way at this point in time to know who that will be If you're talking fantasy numbers, I think Dunn is actually going to be very good. He'll have huge steals numbers and could probably average around 18-20 points per game. His percentages are going to be awful, but the volume will be there.
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Post by iasm on Sept 25, 2017 9:12:00 GMT -6
Yeah, I'll probably watch the Bulls this year, if for no reason other than I actually like watching bad/developing teams. Does seem like there's a logjam of bigs now though with RoLo, Felicia, Lauri, Niko and Portis. Maybe they'll be able to trade RoLo to a contender for another pick or something. I'm guessing Lopez does get traded at some point this year.
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