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Post by facts on Feb 15, 2018 11:40:54 GMT -6
Machina is/was a great album
1. Siamese Dream
2. MCIS
3. Pisces
4. Machina 1
5. Gish
6. Adore
7. Zwan
8. Machina 2
Everything else is tied for last
The song off that Batman soundtrack still rips as well
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 11:41:43 GMT -6
Mellon Collie
Siamese
Adore
Gish
Machina
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Post by goodson on Feb 15, 2018 11:44:09 GMT -6
Siamese Dream Mellon Collie Gish Adore Machina yeah this |
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Post by concertgoer on Feb 15, 2018 11:44:30 GMT -6
I’m also tempted to rank Mellon Collie #1 since it has some of my favorite SP tracks, but there is just a little too much filler.
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Post by Blue42 on Feb 15, 2018 11:45:26 GMT -6
From what I recall the tour with Manson wasn't able to sell out the small sheds a couple of years ago, and that was with Jimmy. I just think the SP brand has already been dragged through the mud so much even before the shenanigans of this week. Yes, but that wasn't billed/hyped as any sort of reunion tour. Axl toured his version of GnR to death, and that didn't seem to have any sort of ill effect on the super hyped initial run of reunion dates. To suggest that James Iha has the same type of star power as Slash seems like a bit of a miscalculation. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 11:47:12 GMT -6
Even by Billy standards the lyrics on Machina are cringe. Listening now and there’s just so many clunky awkward lines
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Post by goodson on Feb 15, 2018 11:48:03 GMT -6
I’m also tempted to rank Mellon Collie #1 since it has some of my favorite SP tracks, but there is just a little too much filler. yeah agreed what's everyones favorite siamese dream cut - i have to go "hummer" but it was "mayonaise" for a while |
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Post by concertgoer on Feb 15, 2018 11:49:51 GMT -6
I’m also tempted to rank Mellon Collie #1 since it has some of my favorite SP tracks, but there is just a little too much filler. yeah agreed what's everyones favorite siamese dream cut - i have to go "hummer" but it was "mayonaise" for a while I go back and forth between “Mayonaise” and “Soma” |
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Post by mookie on Feb 15, 2018 11:50:45 GMT -6
I’m also tempted to rank Mellon Collie #1 since it has some of my favorite SP tracks, but there is just a little too much filler. yeah agreed what's everyones favorite siamese dream cut - i have to go "hummer" but it was "mayonaise" for a while Cherub Rock, since I used to be able to play the guitar riff perfectly exactly as Billy used to play it, back when I used to play guitar |
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Post by facts on Feb 15, 2018 11:51:57 GMT -6
Songs that used to rip the most live but unclear if they still rip without D'arcy
1. Quiet
2. Zero
3. Soma
4. Rocket
5. I Am One
Zero is a really corny song and I don't think it would work for me without D'Arcy on backing vocals
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Post by Tweet on Feb 15, 2018 11:55:13 GMT -6
Siamese Dream Mellon Collie Gish Adore Machina yeah this |
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Post by claypoolfan on Feb 15, 2018 12:01:46 GMT -6
yeah agreed what's everyones favorite siamese dream cut - i have to go "hummer" but it was "mayonaise" for a while Cherub Rock, since I used to be able to play the guitar riff perfectly exactly as Billy used to play it, back when I used to play guitar Gotta be Cherub Rock. There was 10+ years of my life where I went around saying that that was my favorite song period. |
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Post by concertgoer on Feb 15, 2018 12:02:52 GMT -6
If Billy was serious about a "massive setlist" we could be looking at 2.5- 3 hour sets.
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Post by facts on Feb 15, 2018 12:02:53 GMT -6
Songs that used to rip the most live but unclear if they still rip without D'arcy 1. Quiet 2. Zero 3. Soma 4. Rocket 5. I Am One Zero is a really corny song and I don't think it would work for me without D'Arcy on backing vocals Update - I just watched a version of Zero from 1996 on YouTube and the part where Billy/D'arcy combine on the vocals for the "I never let on..." part absolutely 100% still slayed me. So this one won't work for me in the current setup. |
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Post by Pale Hose on Feb 15, 2018 12:06:02 GMT -6
I still want to hear Zero.
Hopefully they decide to skip Everlasting Gaze. That song was dumb even when it came out.
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Post by wanny on Feb 15, 2018 12:13:51 GMT -6
And somehow Des Moines doesn't get them, Jesus
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Post by teekoh on Feb 15, 2018 12:14:53 GMT -6
Headlining 80/35 hell yeah
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Post by irvred on Feb 15, 2018 12:17:52 GMT -6
I'm only a casual fan anyway but their Columbus date is the same day I go see David Byrne in Dayton.
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Post by sleeping on Feb 15, 2018 13:08:53 GMT -6
Even by Billy standards the lyrics on Machina are cringe. Listening now and there’s just so many clunky awkward lines LIFE'S A BUMMER AND YOU'RE A HUMMER LIFE'S A DRA-EE-A-EE-AG |
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Post by neader on Feb 15, 2018 13:08:54 GMT -6
Also a casual fan, always absolutely loved the singles but never went out of my way to dig into an album, where should I start?
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Post by Pale Hose on Feb 15, 2018 13:10:12 GMT -6
Also a casual fan, always absolutely loved the singles but never went out of my way to dig into an album, where should I start? Siamese Dream. |
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Post by sleeping on Feb 15, 2018 13:10:26 GMT -6
Also a casual fan, always absolutely loved the singles but never went out of my way to dig into an album, where should I start? Start at the beginning and watch them mutate from a weird psychedelic almost-Goth band into a buttrock arena band in real-time. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 13:13:51 GMT -6
Also a casual fan, always absolutely loved the singles but never went out of my way to dig into an album, where should I start? Mellon Collie |
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Post by sleeping on Feb 15, 2018 13:15:16 GMT -6
Machina is/was a great album It's the definition of overproduced. I really hope the deluxe edition eventually comes out because I want to hear versions of those songs that haven't had all the life polished out of them. Find a bootleg from the Arising! tour and compare "Virex" with the song it eventually morphed into, "The Imploding Voice." |
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Post by neader on Feb 15, 2018 13:31:18 GMT -6
Also a casual fan, always absolutely loved the singles but never went out of my way to dig into an album, where should I start? Siamese Dream. I went with this because Mellon Collie was like 28 songs and i couldn't tell if sleeping was serious or not. |
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Post by neader on Feb 15, 2018 13:36:54 GMT -6
Fun fact I just found out: Cherub Rock was released the day after I was born
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Post by andrewvb on Feb 15, 2018 13:39:16 GMT -6
listening to machina now, it's good.
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Post by mookie on Feb 15, 2018 13:40:28 GMT -6
listening to machina now, it's good. I would definitely rank it above Adore. I need to go back to that one too. |
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Post by Blue42 on Feb 15, 2018 14:16:28 GMT -6
Adore would’ve been a really good album if the two best songs from that era were actually on Adore instead of soundtracks for Lost Highway and Batman Forever.
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Post by facts on Feb 15, 2018 14:19:29 GMT -6
Machina is/was a great album It's the definition of overproduced. I really hope the deluxe edition eventually comes out because I want to hear versions of those songs that haven't had all the life polished out of them. Find a bootleg from the Arising! tour and compare "Virex" with the song it eventually morphed into, "The Imploding Voice." All of the albums after Gish are totally overproduced though. That's part of the goofy charm to me - where Billy needs to layer his voice 10 times and then add like another dozen guitar layers (presumably to make sure it's just him and not James). I feel like that's a core part of the SP value proposition. I think that's also why the live shows were hit or miss - they needed to play off of emotion and couldn't layer things. So depending on who was high or having a hissy fit that day the show could be great or horrible. |
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