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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 9:13:52 GMT -6
I mean, it wasn't as bad as the prequels, so yay? yep my predicted ranking of it being the worst of 4-9 in the saga, but still better than the prequels, feels about right. we walked out saying we had fun but didnt feel like it was anything particularly great as far as story and characters go. the action was wonderfully good fun (but jarring at times because Abrams chopped every scene to pieces, probably for the sake of time, which makes the pacing feel weird.) totally okay with everyone going HAM on force powers -- it's the last installment, might as well. 3P0 kinda steals every scene he's in, which i'm cool with. well, up until a new character is introduced and is gonna win the internet's heart over baby yoda. will write a long spoilery post later but the 'twist' is what the fuck ever. i get it and it could work but they dont make much of an effort to explain it which i found annoying. also agree with irvred -- the opening sentence in the text crawl is actually the worst thing i've ever seen written in a prologue for any film ever and i audibly guffawed at the line. i cannot believe that made it through 4 screenwriters, a team of editors, a fuckload of producers, and test audiences. |
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Post by thebosma on Dec 20, 2019 9:16:50 GMT -6
The most important thing to note is that Palpatine cums, and has had sex at least once |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 9:19:36 GMT -6
eric made that same joke but im pretty sure the implication is that he used his Force Creation powers alluded to in Episode 3 to manifest her and then at some point 2 resistance Nobodies found her and hid her away.
this would also tie into how Kylo is able to use the Resurrection force powers at the end of 9 that Palpatine told Anakin about in 3.
but the writing did NOT allow for those connections to be made apparent at all and i was really, really frustrated by that. Lucas gave you an easy out, fucking take it lol
same can be said for cloning. if Snoke is a clone, okay cool go for it. but goddamnit give me some context or backstory to it. don't just show me a vial of Snokes casually in the background. |
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 9:20:57 GMT -6
Yeah that's the impression I got too Wretched.
Really interested to see JJ's next interview when he's going to have to try and answer these questions that he inexplicably left out of the film.
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Post by thebosma on Dec 20, 2019 9:21:40 GMT -6
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong, Palpatine cums, and is at least moderately fertile |
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Post by thebosma on Dec 20, 2019 9:22:09 GMT -6
Also I would kill for Babu Frik
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 9:22:16 GMT -6
with how poorly explained act 3 is, i can't argue with that tbh
irt your first point.
100% with you on point #2
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 9:25:24 GMT -6
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong, Palpatine cums, and is at least moderately fertile What do you think he says when he cums?
a. UNLIMITED POWAAAH
b. Good...good...
c. I am the Senate
d. Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plageius the wise? |
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Post by thebosma on Dec 20, 2019 9:26:39 GMT -6
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong, Palpatine cums, and is at least moderately fertile What do you think he says when he cums?
a. UNLIMITED POWAAAH
b. Good...good...
c. I am the Senate
d. Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plageius the wise? E. All of the above |
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Post by brainloading on Dec 20, 2019 9:27:40 GMT -6
did anyone else have a theater that broke out laughing when rey and kylo kissed |
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 9:28:29 GMT -6
did anyone else have a theater that broke out laughing when rey and kylo kissed I facepalmed. Before hand I was like "wow what if they did that that'd be so dumb" and then 4 seconds later. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Dec 20, 2019 9:31:48 GMT -6
did anyone else have a theater that broke out laughing when rey and kylo kissed I facepalmed. Before hand I was like "wow what if they did that that'd be so dumb" and then 4 seconds later. Pretty sure that was one of the moments during which I laughed. Like REALLY? |
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Post by wanny on Dec 20, 2019 9:32:09 GMT -6
I mean, it wasn't as bad as the prequels, so yay? yep my predicted ranking of it being the worst of 4-9 in the saga, but still better than the prequels, feels about right. we walked out saying we had fun but didnt feel like it was anything particularly great as far as story and characters go. the action was wonderfully good fun (but jarring at times because Abrams chopped every scene to pieces, probably for the sake of time, which makes the pacing feel weird.) totally okay with everyone going HAM on force powers -- it's the last installment, might as well. 3P0 kinda steals every scene he's in, which i'm cool with. well, up until a new character is introduced and is gonna win the internet's heart over baby yoda. will write a long spoilery post later but the 'twist' is what the fuck ever. i get it and it could work but they dont make much of an effort to explain it which i found annoying. also agree with irvred -- the opening sentence in the text crawl is actually the worst thing i've ever seen written in a prologue for any film ever and i audibly guffawed at the line. i cannot believe that made it through 4 screenwriters, a team of editors, a fuckload of producers, and test audiences. As a non die hard Star Wars fan, this sounds like what I want to get out of the movie. Still would obviously like a better story, but I bet I'll enjoy it |
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Post by Kamera on Dec 20, 2019 9:32:36 GMT -6
It's about family and that's what's so powerful about it
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Post by thebosma on Dec 20, 2019 9:34:19 GMT -6
did anyone else have a theater that broke out laughing when rey and kylo kissed Think they only did this because she takes the Skywalker name at the end and JJ is really into incest porn based on his films |
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Post by claypoolfan on Dec 20, 2019 10:08:04 GMT -6
Just went ahead and read the spoilers for this and feel like I probably don't need to see it.
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Post by irvred on Dec 20, 2019 10:58:46 GMT -6
Second viewing, it is still bad.
Phantom Menace is better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 11:01:28 GMT -6
i will give Abrams a solid round of applause for all the cameos.
every single actor who's played a jedi is being listed as part of that cast of voices that Rey hears. i legit got chills hearing Samuel L Jackson, Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, etc. but they got EVERYONE to come back. even the clone wars voice actors.
i totally missed John Williams as the bartender though. and apparently Warwick Davis came back as one of the Ewoks lol
i knew i recognized the stormtroopers' voices but couldnt figure it out. it was fucking Jeff Garland and Kevin Smith. makes sense. i know it's dumb nostalgia but it definitely worked for me on that level |
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Post by Kamera on Dec 20, 2019 11:10:08 GMT -6
So are we going to get a 4 hour director's cut on Disney+ months later?
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Post by brainloading on Dec 20, 2019 11:57:25 GMT -6
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Post by irvred on Dec 20, 2019 12:09:18 GMT -6
That sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:38:10 GMT -6
I have some thoughts, somewhat in direct reply to Neader's notes above: The Dead Speak! This opening crawl is arguably groan-worthy, yes. Given all the things Palpatine has said over the course of all these movies, though, cheating death was suspected to be possible prior to this movie. Also, I feel like this movie makes perfect sense of Snoke, who was not only a mystery initially, but RoS made him NOT a throwaway character as I felt he became in TLJ. Why was he even in that dang movie? Oh, the emperor thought to be dead was attempting to clone himself/others to do his bidding? I'm not sure if all y'all caught the Sith lab with other Snokes growing/dead in a vat, but it was there. Snoke now had purpose he didn't have before. Emperor Palpatine was pulling the strings the entire time. The strings of Kylo, the First Order, Snoke (if not in direct possession of him). Yeah. I like it. It works.
Not to mention, it's rumored Lucas meant to bring back the Emperor if he had taken the reins on this particular trilogy and it's not a huge stretch to assume this was going to be the big reveal all along.
Force powers:
Healing - This has been part of the expanded universe forever. Glad to see it featured in a mainline movie.
"Be with me" - She essentially summoned the combined power of all Jedi before her to counter-smite the emperor... and it DID result in her death.
Resurrection - Leia gave her life force for Ben. Ben gave his life for Rey.
Teleportation of objects - WHAT?! YESSSS!!!! That lightsaber transfer was sweet af.
I felt these force powers were clearly demonstrated, very reasonable and fairly touching. Full disclosure: I actually welled up a little at a couple parts towards the end.
Side note: Contrary to a lot of reviews I've read, I don't think Abrams "overcorrected" AT ALL. I don't even think he even tried to correct anything from TLJ (although, he did make a cute poke at TLJ once or twice). He flowed all that same info into this movie; didn't alter any of those plot elements other than adding Palpatine to the mix. My opinions tend to evolve after multiple viewings, especially with this last trilogy, but right now, I'm actually impressed it ended up being cohesive.
I'll probably come back to add to this (and maybe rank some shit). Hard to put all my thoughts in one post. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:42:57 GMT -6
I have complaints ftr. Will get to those later maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:02:00 GMT -6
i dont think any of those are directly in conflict with what any of us have said. except i do disagree with your snoke assessment.
ROS makes Snoke infinitely more of a throwaway because now we know he's 1 of a million clones that were nothing but a mangled version of something Palpatine was dicking around with in a vat.
TLJ gave him a personality and flaws and made him pay the penalty for those flaws. which also elevated Kylo. ROS kinda makes a point to demote both of them in order to make room for the same baddie to come back. which is okay but i dont agree that it makes either Snoke or Kylo somehow more potent than they were before. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Dec 20, 2019 13:02:42 GMT -6
I have some thoughts, somewhat in direct reply to Neader's notes above: The Dead Speak! This opening crawl is arguably groan-worthy, yes. Given all the things Palpatine has said over the course of all these movies, though, cheating death was suspected to be possible prior to this movie. Also, I feel like this movie makes perfect sense of Snoke, who was not only a mystery initially, but RoS made him NOT a throwaway character as I felt he became in TLJ. Why was he even in that dang movie? Oh, the emperor thought to be dead was attempting to clone himself/others to do his bidding? I'm not sure if all y'all caught the Sith lab with other Snokes growing/dead in a vat, but it was there. Snoke now had purpose he didn't have before. Emperor Palpatine was pulling the strings the entire time. The strings of Kylo, the First Order, Snoke (if not in direct possession of him). Yeah. I like it. It works.
Not to mention, it's rumored Lucas meant to bring back the Emperor if he had taken the reins on this particular trilogy and it's not a huge stretch to assume this was going to be the big reveal all along.
Force powers:
Healing - This has been part of the expanded universe forever. Glad to see it featured in a mainline movie.
"Be with me" - She essentially summoned the combined power of all Jedi before her to counter-smite the emperor... and it DID result in her death.
Resurrection - Leia gave her life force for Ben. Ben gave his life for Rey.
Teleportation of objects - WHAT?! YESSSS!!!! That lightsaber transfer was sweet af.
I felt these force powers were clearly demonstrated, very reasonable and fairly touching. Full disclosure: I actually welled up a little at a couple parts towards the end.
Side note: Contrary to a lot of reviews I've read, I don't think Abrams "overcorrected" AT ALL. I don't even think he even tried to correct anything from TLJ (although, he did make a cute poke at TLJ once or twice). He flowed all that same info into this movie; didn't alter any of those plot elements other than adding Palpatine to the mix. My opinions tend to evolve after multiple viewings, especially with this last trilogy, but right now, I'm actually impressed it ended up being cohesive.
I'll probably come back to add to this (and maybe rank some shit). Hard to put all my thoughts in one post. I mean, there was that whole thing about Rey's parents being nobodies and that seemed to be pretty heavily course corrected early on. And it was stupid because it didn't seem to ultimately make any difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:05:41 GMT -6
I have some thoughts, somewhat in direct reply to Neader's notes above: The Dead Speak! This opening crawl is arguably groan-worthy, yes. Given all the things Palpatine has said over the course of all these movies, though, cheating death was suspected to be possible prior to this movie. Also, I feel like this movie makes perfect sense of Snoke, who was not only a mystery initially, but RoS made him NOT a throwaway character as I felt he became in TLJ. Why was he even in that dang movie? Oh, the emperor thought to be dead was attempting to clone himself/others to do his bidding? I'm not sure if all y'all caught the Sith lab with other Snokes growing/dead in a vat, but it was there. Snoke now had purpose he didn't have before. Emperor Palpatine was pulling the strings the entire time. The strings of Kylo, the First Order, Snoke (if not in direct possession of him). Yeah. I like it. It works.
Not to mention, it's rumored Lucas meant to bring back the Emperor if he had taken the reins on this particular trilogy and it's not a huge stretch to assume this was going to be the big reveal all along.
Force powers:
Healing - This has been part of the expanded universe forever. Glad to see it featured in a mainline movie.
"Be with me" - She essentially summoned the combined power of all Jedi before her to counter-smite the emperor... and it DID result in her death.
Resurrection - Leia gave her life force for Ben. Ben gave his life for Rey.
Teleportation of objects - WHAT?! YESSSS!!!! That lightsaber transfer was sweet af.
I felt these force powers were clearly demonstrated, very reasonable and fairly touching. Full disclosure: I actually welled up a little at a couple parts towards the end.
Side note: Contrary to a lot of reviews I've read, I don't think Abrams "overcorrected" AT ALL. I don't even think he even tried to correct anything from TLJ (although, he did make a cute poke at TLJ once or twice). He flowed all that same info into this movie; didn't alter any of those plot elements other than adding Palpatine to the mix. My opinions tend to evolve after multiple viewings, especially with this last trilogy, but right now, I'm actually impressed it ended up being cohesive.
I'll probably come back to add to this (and maybe rank some shit). Hard to put all my thoughts in one post. I mean, there was that whole thing about Rey's parents being nobodies and that seemed to be pretty heavily course corrected early on. And it was stupid because it didn't seem to ultimately make any difference. i can't decide how i feel about this because technically they ARE still nobodies. Abrams just baked another layer of lies into it so even Kylo wouldn't have known the truth.
using Palpatine as an explanation for Rey's crazy force powers is aight i guess. especially cause they use the term "grandfather," but im not really sure it makes a whole lot of sense, like Bosma and Neader were saying earlier.
like did Palpatine secretly father one of those 2 Nobodies who then passed their heritage down to Rey without them every knowing they were actually force affluent? or did the Emperor immaculately conceive her? another 20 seconds of weak-ass exposition probably would've fixed this and could have managed the balance of both TLJ's and ROS' approach to the question. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Dec 20, 2019 13:09:31 GMT -6
I like the idea of Emperor Palpatine immaculately conceiving Rey because it's all just so stupid already, so why the fuck not? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:17:56 GMT -6
Ah... Well... The parents being nobodies thing... Kylo told her that. He also told her at one point in this movie that Palpatine intended to kill her. I personally felt Kylo Ren was always pretty gray/conflicted and potentially misleading.
You didn't have to take his explanation in TLJ as truth. It turns out they're not/don't have to be nobodies. Palpatine had a son who took his family and fled from his tyrannical father. I mean sure, he might have deviated from where Rian Johnson was going, but it works seamlessly, imo.
As for Snoke, that's a totally reasonable perspective, Wretched. I kinda see it as it added an unexpected complexity to what he was (a puppet, which I suspected back in TFA, true story!).
...assuming you can accept that it's reasonable that Emperor Palpatine appear as the true villain in RoS, which seems to me is the pill you gotta swallow to even attempt to enjoy this movie. I can understand the reluctance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:19:51 GMT -6
Just got a ticket to see this Christmas Eve. |
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Post by regionrat6337 on Dec 20, 2019 13:21:23 GMT -6
One thing I guess that I'm confused with: With Rey's dad being Palaptine's son, are we just assuming that all of his evil and powers just skipped over a generation? Why wouldn't he have tried to groom him to the dark side as well? I feel like either I completely missed something they said in the movie or it just doesn't make much sense. |
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