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Post by brainloading on Dec 20, 2019 13:21:40 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:21:59 GMT -6
It didn't make a difference? Hmm... Let me think on this... I had a related train of thought earlier... There was a lot thrown at us in that climax. I was like whoa, man.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:24:53 GMT -6
One thing I guess that I'm confused with: With Rey's dad being Palaptine's son, are we just assuming that all of his evil and powers just skipped over a generation? Why wouldn't he have tried to groom him to the dark side as well? I feel like either I completely missed something they said in the movie or it just doesn't make much sense. Luke explained to her that she does not have to be defined by her lineage... or alluded to that. Maybe Kylo touched on this, too. Or was it Maz Kanata? Shit. There was a theme there, I felt.
We don't know why the son fled. We don't know at which point Palpatine became aware of his son and granddaughter. We don't know if that son was sith-trained (I'm assuming not). These things were left in mystery. |
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 13:27:40 GMT -6
Ah... Well...
...assuming you can accept that it's reasonable that Emperor Palpatine appear as the true villain in RoS, which seems to me is the pill you gotta swallow to even attempt to enjoy this movie. I can understand the reluctance.
Which I can't. It was very much throw together last minute, did not have any connection from the first two films, completely negates the whole saga beforehand and Anakin being the chosen one, making the story and everything they achieved ultimately worthless and for nothing, and wasn't even attempted to be explained at all in the movie itself.
I loved how much The Last Jedi pushed everything into the grey, and that was totally backtracked in this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:28:57 GMT -6
One thing I guess that I'm confused with: With Rey's dad being Palaptine's son, are we just assuming that all of his evil and powers just skipped over a generation? Why wouldn't he have tried to groom him to the dark side as well? I feel like either I completely missed something they said in the movie or it just doesn't make much sense. this is why i absolutely don't buy that argument. i'm pretty sure it has to be the more ridiculous explanation, which is more consistent with the 'lore.' |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:31:05 GMT -6
also props to how much scenery-chewing Domhall Gleeson and Richard E Grant pull off for how little screentime they get. and also a small twist i really liked but got no time to flesh out |
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 13:32:47 GMT -6
also props to how much scenery-chewing Domhall Gleeson and Richard E Grant pull off for how little screentime they get. and also a small twist i really liked but got no time to flesh out Truly incredible how everything that was good was quickly backtracked and/or over with in about 2 minutes. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Dec 20, 2019 13:33:50 GMT -6
One thing I guess that I'm confused with: With Rey's dad being Palaptine's son, are we just assuming that all of his evil and powers just skipped over a generation? Why wouldn't he have tried to groom him to the dark side as well? I feel like either I completely missed something they said in the movie or it just doesn't make much sense.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:34:56 GMT -6
also props to how much scenery-chewing Domhall Gleeson and Richard E Grant pull off for how little screentime they get. and also a small twist i really liked but got no time to flesh out Truly incredible how everything that was good was quickly backtracked and/or over with in about 2 minutes. oh god can we talk about how fucking impressed i was for about 90 seconds when i actually thought they killed Chewie.
having Rey abuse her powers and accidentally kill an ally would have been THE ballsiest thing Abrams has ever done with any franchise.
i was in shock.
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 13:35:46 GMT -6
Yep. That was the only moment I was on the edge of my seat and happy. Something new and exciting, where will it lead!?
Nowhere.
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Post by Xamnam on Dec 20, 2019 13:36:26 GMT -6
I don't know why I keep clicking on this thread when I'm not going to open spoiler tags.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:41:19 GMT -6
I respect your perspective, Neader. TLJ was polarizing for sure. This continued narrative completely negates pretty much any issue I had with TLJ. No, it makes TLJ *better*, imo.
Bottom line, I cannot/could not turn down more Ian McDiarmid in this character. I was fully on board with it out the gate.
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Post by alady on Dec 20, 2019 13:43:49 GMT -6
I don't know why I keep clicking on this thread when I'm not going to open spoiler tags. Same |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:45:03 GMT -6
It's habit.
New posts! Squirrel!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:47:17 GMT -6
No, it makes TLJ *better*, imo. i actually agree with this, but not because it fixes anything. because it proves that TLJ was a vastly better film than anything Abrams has done.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:48:05 GMT -6
Truly incredible how everything that was good was quickly backtracked and/or over with in about 2 minutes. oh god can we talk about how fucking impressed i was for about 90 seconds when i actually thought they killed Chewie.
having Rey abuse her powers and accidentally kill an ally would have been THE ballsiest thing Abrams has ever done with any franchise.
i was in shock.
aaaaand then they immediately undid it. But... she was being twisted emotionally throughout this whole movie. It was about her experience and evolution as a Jedi, not who lived or died. I don't think it was important to keep Chewie dead. They killed plenty of other people she grew close to throughout the trilogy. She was also undisciplined. Why didn't she stop to force-scan that ship for Chewie before reacting? Why couldn't she easily take out that target droid early in the movie? She was distracted and very reactionary throughout the entire saga and she ultimately recognized that and exiled herself to Ach-To before Luke helped her get her shit together. |
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 13:48:47 GMT -6
I respect your perspective, Neader. TLJ was polarizing for sure. This continued narrative completely negates pretty much any issue I had with TLJ. No, it makes TLJ *better*, imo. Bottom line, I cannot/could not turn down more Ian McDiarmid in this character. I was fully on board with it out the gate. and I would not have had an issue with it had it been executed better. but there wasn't any backstory or explanation except for "the dark side of the force blah blah blah unnatura;." #deusexmachina. Had they at least attempted to explain it it would've been better but it just left me with more questions than answers - mainly, how do we know he is for sure gone this time?
I wish that they would've made kylo the villain. He tried to do right, but Luke betrayed him, and Rey wouldn't join him. It gives him somewhat of motivation to conquer his light side. He wanted to be good and tried but felt no one trusted him. It's not like Palpatine who is evil just because he wants power, Kylo would be evil because the light rejected him still kinda keeping with the greyness, and would have been a nice parallel to Vader. Instead of going from dark to light he goes from light to dark. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Dec 20, 2019 13:50:38 GMT -6
I respect your perspective, Neader. TLJ was polarizing for sure. This continued narrative completely negates pretty much any issue I had with TLJ. No, it makes TLJ *better*, imo. Bottom line, I cannot/could not turn down more Ian McDiarmid in this character. I was fully on board with it out the gate. and I would not have had an issue with it had it been executed better. but there wasn't any backstory or explanation except for "the dark side of the force blah blah blah unnatura;." #deusexmachina. Had they at least attempted to explain it it would've been better but it just left me with more questions than answers - mainly, how do we know he is for sure gone this time? Because it's the end of the Skywalker saga, so they don't need to drag him out for anymore movies. ...or do they? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 13:56:02 GMT -6
Let's not overlook ...that Kylo and Ren had fallen for each other (prior to this movie even). I am thinking a lot about his continued motivations and conflicts and still processing. Was he trying to stay dark-ish and legit wanted to rule with Rey? I wasn't even completely convinced at the end that Ben had fully emerged. Really fucking great SW character ultimately.
A lot of folks are going to say that kiss was forced or unnecessary, but did Rian Johnson not intend to portray sexual tension in TLJ? I was like no don't! But it ultimately felt inevitable. Sorry. I'm a little too gaga over it right now. I did not expect to like it much at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:00:59 GMT -6
Let's not overlook ...that Kylo and Ren had fallen for each other (prior to this movie even). I am thinking a lot about his continued motivations and conflicts and still processing. Was he trying to stay dark-ish and legit wanted to rule with Rey? I wasn't even completely convinced at the end that Ben had fully emerged. Really fucking great SW character ultimately.
A lot of folks are going to say that kiss was forced or unnecessary, but did Rian Johnson not intend to portray sexual tension in TLJ? I was like no don't! But it ultimately felt inevitable. Sorry. I'm a little too gaga over it right now. I did not expect to like it much at all. fwiw im with you on this one. the romantic tension between kylo and rey has been palpable (pun intended?) since TFA. im totally fine with the healing payoffs, resurrection, and kiss at the end before Ben becomes one with the force.
im not gonna say i got really choked about it because i think the pacing made me not care as much as i should have, but i do like it as a matter of storytelling and character arcs for sure.
i do however take an issue with Finn trying to say he has feelings for Rey early in the movie, completely blowing off Rose, and then almost getting shipped to another character on the Endor Moon because black. but that's a separate issue entirely not relating to Rey. again i should say i did like this movie! but it just takes a LOT of leaps of faith and makes brash assumptions in storytelling that i struggled with, even for a star wars movie. |
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Post by brainloading on Dec 20, 2019 14:03:47 GMT -6
am i supposed to spoiler tag that babu frik is the best character
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:05:40 GMT -6
Oh wow. Yeah, I ain't unpack Finn yet, but... oof. That might actually be awkward now that you mention it. Also, now I know precisely what I missed when I went to the bathroom.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:13:20 GMT -6
am i supposed to spoiler tag that babu frik is the best character hell nah. down with Baby Yoda, Babu Frik 4life |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:17:58 GMT -6
Oh wow. Yeah, I ain't unpack Finn yet, but... oof. That might actually be awkward now that you mention it. Also, now I know precisely what I missed when I went to the bathroom. on its own, Jannah is a cool character and should be able to relate to Finn since they're both mutineers from the First Order (and there's solid commentary to be made about the First Order recruiting disenfranchised people)
but the minute she shows up on screen, they make it blatantly evident that Finn has feelings for her before she can even tell her story, which i thought was very weird especially after we've already had Finn almost admitting he has a crush on Rey AND basically rejecting all the feelings Rose had for him in TLJ.
just a very clunk love-polyhedron that didnt need to be there because Finn doesnt end up with anyone in the end anyway.
also i know they were just trying to make Lando look paternal and caring, but i couldnt help but think they were trying to make Lando put the moves on Jannah at the very end and it was gross. |
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Post by neader on Dec 20, 2019 14:23:14 GMT -6
Oh wow. Yeah, I ain't unpack Finn yet, but... oof. That might actually be awkward now that you mention it. Also, now I know precisely what I missed when I went to the bathroom. on its own, Jannah is a cool character and should be able to relate to Finn since they're both mutineers from the First Order (and there's solid commentary to be made about the First Order recruiting disenfranchised people)
but the minute she shows up on screen, they make it blatantly evident that Finn has feelings for her before she can even tell her story, which i thought was very weird especially after we've already had Finn almost admitting he has a crush on Rey AND basically rejecting all the feelings Rose had for him in TLJ.
just a very clunk love-polyhedron that didnt need to be there because Finn doesnt end up with anyone in the end anyway.
also i know they were just trying to make Lando look paternal and caring, but i couldnt help but think they were trying to make Lando put the moves on Jannah at the very end and it was gross. That was so weird. Like is he her dad...is he trying to fuck...both? |
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Post by brainloading on Dec 20, 2019 14:24:47 GMT -6
on its own, Jannah is a cool character and should be able to relate to Finn since they're both mutineers from the First Order (and there's solid commentary to be made about the First Order recruiting disenfranchised people)
but the minute she shows up on screen, they make it blatantly evident that Finn has feelings for her before she can even tell her story, which i thought was very weird especially after we've already had Finn almost admitting he has a crush on Rey AND basically rejecting all the feelings Rose had for him in TLJ.
just a very clunk love-polyhedron that didnt need to be there because Finn doesnt end up with anyone in the end anyway.
also i know they were just trying to make Lando look paternal and caring, but i couldnt help but think they were trying to make Lando put the moves on Jannah at the very end and it was gross. That was so weird. Like is he her dad...is he trying to fuck...both?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:28:24 GMT -6
Um... Finn's love life might somewhat parallel my own lololol. And also yeah! What the hell! I swear one minute Lando was speaking fondly of Leia and lamenting her death and the next he was all "how you doin?" I guess I didn't imagine that. :\ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 14:54:12 GMT -6
lol i do love the reddit logic that if all it takes to beat Zombie Wizard Palpatine is 2 lightsabers instead of 1, then surely General Grevious is actually the low-key greatest jedi in the canon |
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Post by krentist on Dec 20, 2019 15:55:13 GMT -6
yikes!!!!!!
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Post by krentist on Dec 20, 2019 15:58:27 GMT -6
At least the worst part of that was the Z grade episode of MST3K the fedoras next to me were putting on.
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