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Post by ultravisitor on Dec 22, 2017 19:31:53 GMT -6
I think I'll pay for a Star Wars movie in which Poe gets with a guy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 11:47:08 GMT -6
This movie was much better on second viewing. The movie is shocking on first viewing, start to finish, because NOTHING anyone expected to happen was in this movie. You got the alt-right haters and then you had folks like me who merely needed a little more time to process things. Stuff I love: Adam Driver's performance. Really the only actor that brought real nuance to their role. Everyone else just plays their character very straight for the most part. I fully believed his performance. Kylo Ren, the villain. Luke's arc. That fight with the praetorian guard. Gott dang.
Having Leia/Carrie Fisher for the whole movie (and probably some of Ep. 9) is truly a gift.
Stuff I don't like (and really the only things that still bug me): The pursuit of the resistance cruisers took place over 18 hours, but the Ahch-To scenes with Rey and Luke clearly took place over the course of at least 3-4 days. It's not a huge deal if you just accept you're watching two separate time lines, but it feels janky. All the first timers I saw it with last night said the same shit. Sorry.
-TIE Fighters don't have hyperdrive, but the empire doesn't have any reconnaissance craft that can sandwich the resistance from ahead? At one point in the film, Rey warns Luke that the First Order will overtake every system in the galaxy within weeks. They couldn't apprehend one measly cruiser any faster? It's really hard to set that aside and pretend it's not an issue.
It was out of character for Leia to allow Laura Dern to commit suicide.
-If BB-8 can pilot an AT-ST and slaughter stormtroopers, then a droid could have piloted that cruiser instead of their vice admiral. Dumb.
Chewie not eating that roasted porg after he went through the trouble of killing and preparing it is disappointing. It's just a fucking (really god dang adorable) bird, Chewie! Predictions for Episode 9: Benicio's slicer is actually more interesting when you consider his "Today you lose, tomorrow you'll win." line. I think he's the Lando of this trilogy and we will see him redeem himself in Ep. 9.
Kylo is the chosen one who will ultimately bring balance to the force. Not sure how they're gonna pull that off, but it makes sense if Ep. 9 is the final stamp on the Skywalker saga.
People walking out of seeing this movie for the first time saying this is undoubtedly the best Star Wars movie are smoking rock, imo. The asteroid chase sequence in ESB blows any sequence in TLJ away. Not to mention the emotional heft of Luke confronting Vader in Cloud City, as well as the classic moment when Yoda raises the X-Wing out of the swamp... Those are life-defining cinematic moments for me. I wasn't impacted nearly as much with anything in this movie (a couple things might come close). Right now, I might rank this movie 3rd best, but probably 4th. It does have potential to grow on me some more. #opinions Also, this movie DOES have parallels to ESB. I got a list of at least five themes that are revisited, but for the most part, it's more subtle than TFA's parallels to A New Hope and it works. TL;DR I really liked it. You should go see it again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 14:22:28 GMT -6
super glad to hear second viewings help (not just shifting your opinion into the positive i mean)
i have every intention of seeing it again immediately and seeing what all i missed. it might sway me into the negative for all i know but this is definitely a film that merits multiple viewings to fully digest.
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Post by Xamnam on Dec 23, 2017 16:49:20 GMT -6
This was a good movie that did a much better job of taking inspiration from Empire's beats without being slavish to them like TFA and ANH.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 19:15:59 GMT -6
we just had like a 2 hour dinner that centered solely around TLJ and it's such a fascinating topic honestly. my dad and brother thought it was okay/hated some parts, and my mom and i loved almost every moment.
probably the most interesting discourse the 4 of us have ever had over a single topic. definitely requires re-viewings from all parties to continue the conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 8:00:45 GMT -6
Star Wars is a passionate topic!
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Post by irvred on Dec 24, 2017 11:53:33 GMT -6
Saw it again this morning. I've never felt like more of a dweeb than I did sitting in an empty 9am screening with a small dry, unbuttured popcorn. Movie's still great, though.
The Luke/Rey/Kylo plot is one of the best stories the series has told, the Poe stuff is solid, and then the Finn/Rose pacing is just above prequel-levels of poor.
I can accept the First Order's linear pursuit of the Resistance because I do think all of the Empire/First Order plans are bad. Also because they do a ton of work to highlight both Snoke's and Hux's hubris, and I think in their combined overconfidence they would be willing to run the Resistence cruiser out of fuel as a show of superiority. I am also willing to accept Holdo refusing to tell Poe the plan on principle - it also mirrors Poe refusing to tell her the bad codebreaker plan.
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Post by irvred on Dec 24, 2017 17:30:33 GMT -6
God dammit I was expecting to have to deal with stupid political leanings over Christmas but now I gotta deal with grandpa/uncle white-male opinions of The Last Jedi? 'Luke was a coward and the original trilogy didn't matter and why are all these women and blacks good at Star Wars stuff' Like holy shit I try not to believe there are wrong ways to consume media but I guess we're discovering them.
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Post by teekoh on Dec 26, 2017 11:41:16 GMT -6
We saw it over the weekend and both enjoyed it quite a bit. I found some of the humor pandering/cringe-worthy, but Ashley didn't think it was that bad. Usually she's more critical of that stuff that I am, so I'll have to go back and see it again.
I agree with y'all on Kylo Ren being a highlight, and the Rey interactions being especially great. Daisy Ridley's awesome. I found the Poe stuff to be a little frustrating, but I found that it was mostly handled well and was very entertaining from a suspense/anticipation standpoint. Finn's arc seems the least developed and intentional, but I do like how they're approaching his conflict between being involved in the war and getting the hell out of there.
And overall I loved how it looked. There were some absolutely gorgeous shots and I was in awe at a couple of the scenes y'all have mentioned already, aside from flying Leia. I think I groaned audibly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 10:10:00 GMT -6
was trying to wait for a second viewing but idk when that will be so just wanted to say after a few weeks of pulling my hair im definitely still on team
#Snokesnotreallydead
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Post by neader on Jan 2, 2018 10:11:51 GMT -6
I 100% disagree with that.
Also I saw this again on Sunday and as someone who previously wasn't too happy with it I absolutely loved it this time around.
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Post by irvred on Jan 2, 2018 10:13:07 GMT -6
I am vehemently on the opposite #team, and it would be terrible if you're right. I am nervous, though; these movies are being written individually, one at a time. Which was a gift for Rian Johnson. But JJ is such a goddamn people pleaser I could see him using IX to retcon the big twists of this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 10:16:58 GMT -6
fwiw for the film itself, i would love for you guys to be right. i like that demolition of the character and elevating Kylo at the same time so much more.
but just reading/watching enough theories and talking to literally everyone i know about it over the past month, it seems like there were more hints and details involved that clearly suggest JJ has to do something with it in IX.
the biggest giveaway for me now might be the final battle with Luke and the new power we learn about -- which for the longest time i just thought was fucking awesome and all about Luke finding peace without having to kill anyone. now i look at it and think it's a big fucking wink to what really happened to Snoke and the fact that he played everyone.
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Post by irvred on Jan 2, 2018 10:18:25 GMT -6
I mean there is a big severed difference between what happens to him and what happens to Luke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 10:19:53 GMT -6
eh. i dont think force-projecting yourself being severed is that much of a far cry to force-projecting yourself into a lightsaber battle.
i mean, if luke's projection had gotten hit, would he had shown himself being severed or just fade away like obi wan
OH MY GOD MAYBE OBI WAN ISNT DEAD EITHER
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Post by neader on Jan 2, 2018 10:20:08 GMT -6
Before I continue, can we stop doing spoiler tags now? I think everyone here has seen this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 10:21:36 GMT -6
yeah i guess. wasnt really sure what was and wasnt kosher but it seems like everyone and their mother saw it the first weekend and now we're just down to fanboy repeat viewings and debates.
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Post by irvred on Jan 2, 2018 10:22:04 GMT -6
If anything I think. . . . . Snoke has to be dead to contrast him with Luke, and even to contrast him with Yoda's advice. Snoke had an arrogance that kept him on the 'horizon' and ignoring what was right in front of him.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 2, 2018 10:22:21 GMT -6
It hasn't even been out for a month yet.
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Post by irvred on Jan 2, 2018 10:22:59 GMT -6
eh. i dont think force-projecting yourself being severed is that much of a far cry to force-projecting yourself into a lightsaber battle. i mean, if luke's projection had gotten hit, would he had shown himself being severed or just fade away like obi wan OH MY GOD MAYBE OBI WAN ISNT DEAD EITHER If your mystical projection gets accidentally hit then you suck at projecting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 10:24:47 GMT -6
It hasn't even been out for a month yet. sorry im still living in trump years. i feel like yoda at this point |
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Post by Kamera on Jan 2, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -6
TLJ subverted my expectations
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 13:16:27 GMT -6
If anything I think. . . . . Snoke has to be dead to contrast him with Luke, and even to contrast him with Yoda's advice. Snoke had an arrogance that kept him on the 'horizon' and ignoring what was right in front of him.
Also for real though what purpose would faking his death serve? fwiw i was in firm agreement with you for a while after seeing it, arguing that the Sith's greatest weakness is always their hubris and that's what brought down maul, tyrannus, sidious, etc. so it only makes sense that snoke would too. the more i look forward to IX though the more i think that it makes too much sense to have Snoke come back in some fashion (even if i think doing so will weaken TLJ's stance in the saga, much to my chagrin.) that being said the idea that he purposely left the saber on the throne and spoke vaguely about "killing his enemy" can definitely be read as a trap to see how Kylo reacted. i think this one does a decent job of covering some of the obvious possibilities |
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Post by dij22 on Jan 2, 2018 14:58:48 GMT -6
If anything I think. . . . . Snoke has to be dead to contrast him with Luke, and even to contrast him with Yoda's advice. Snoke had an arrogance that kept him on the 'horizon' and ignoring what was right in front of him.
Also for real though what purpose would faking his death serve? fwiw i was in firm agreement with you for a while after seeing it, arguing that the Sith's greatest weakness is always their hubris and that's what brought down maul, tyrannus, sidious, etc. so it only makes sense that snoke would too. the more i look forward to IX though the more i think that it makes too much sense to have Snoke come back in some fashion (even if i think doing so will weaken TLJ's stance in the saga, much to my chagrin.) that being said the idea that he purposely left the saber on the throne and spoke vaguely about "killing his enemy" can definitely be read as a trap to see how Kylo reacted. i think this one does a decent job of covering some of the obvious possibilities I thought the theory was very dumb but honestly that video basically has me convinced. Can't wait to watch TLJ a 2nd time with this in mind. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 2, 2018 17:18:33 GMT -6
I just can't get onboard with any theories right now after TLJ took me by surprise.
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Post by concertgoer on Jan 2, 2018 17:27:42 GMT -6
Yeah after watching that video I'm also leaning towards Snook being alive.
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Post by neader on Jan 2, 2018 17:49:38 GMT -6
I thought that video was fucking dumb.
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Post by iasm on Jan 2, 2018 18:52:03 GMT -6
Yeah not buying it.
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Post by sthubbins on Jan 3, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -6
hm.. salt
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Post by alady on Jan 3, 2018 23:59:43 GMT -6
I'm not watching a ten minute video but they better not resurrect ol dude, that would be the stupidest.
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