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Post by facts on Jan 4, 2018 7:50:19 GMT -6
I was on a board hiatus and didn't comment on this movie, but I was horribly underwhelmed. I don't think it did anything to change my view of the rest of the saga, but it just wasn't what I wanted. It didn't really give me any of the answers I was looking for that JJ set up in the last one - which feels kind of a bit like a bait and switch since Lucasfilm has a story group that is so invested in continuity.
All comments from those involved indicate that each director/writer has a pretty blank slate to work with so I'm assuming JJ has fair game to do whatever he wants with Snoke and Rey's parents history in the next one.
I understand the reasons why people liked this movie - but definitely a hard NAH for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 8:45:40 GMT -6
sincere question,
what questions from 7 did you have going into 8 that weren't addressed (granted not directly answered, i agree) in some manner? or seemed like they'll be carried over into 9 as an overall larger arc
snoke is the only one i can really immediately think of
again i intend on seeing it again this weekend with these questions in mind and some criticisms i may have glossed over last time.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 8:52:36 GMT -6
sincere question, what questions from 7 did you have going into 8 that weren't addressed (granted not directly answered, i agree) in some manner? or seemed like they'll be carried over into 9 as an overall larger arc snoke is the only one i can really immediately think of again i intend on seeing it again this weekend with these questions in mind and some criticisms i may have glossed over last time. For the record, I'm team TLJ dunking on TFA was great, but I can understand the perspective that Rey's parents being nobodies, Snoke being a joke were disappointing answers given the way the questions were set up in TFA. They were hinted as big arc type stuff initially, only to be dismissed. How much that bothers you probably depends on much you were into JJ's style of Star Wars. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 8:56:45 GMT -6
yeah i suppose the Rey one could irk people but i was thrilled about it -- my biggest gripe in 7 was i walked out and everyone went "ooooh is Rey a Skywalker or a Kenobi?" and i literally screamed WHY IS EVERYONE IN THIS FUCKING FRANCHISE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER
so Rian completely pissing on that and making her a nobody (and connecting that to the nobody boy at the end who we see use the force) was such a great and fulfilling moment for me.
i love the idea that "anyone can be the hero" so much more than "this one bloodline is crazy good!"
it also matches up better with the jedi lore -- tons of powerful force-sensitive folks came from nowhere and made for great storytelling without ever having interacted with a skywalker/kenobi.
but yes. i can see how its dismantling of the Episode 7 arc would be frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 8:58:05 GMT -6
Nerds need to chill. Instead of letting Star Wars continue to get boring, Rian Johnson changed it up. Snoke was dull, and this new trajectory puts more of an emphasis on Kylo which is what it should be about. Plus, the development about Rey's parents makes her a more compelling character in my book. At some point, even James Bond had to change his hair color, so making a few changes never hurt anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 8:59:47 GMT -6
fwiw i dont think facts (or any naysayers) opinions on here have been particularly negative in a non-constructive way. people are well within their rights to not like it, i just like to ask why and have that dialog. twitter/facebook on the other hand.....yikes. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 9:00:26 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 9:03:48 GMT -6
fwiw i dont think facts (or any naysayers) opinions on here have been particularly negative in a non-constructive way. people are well within their rights to not like it, i just like to ask why and have that dialog. twitter/facebook on the other hand.....yikes. yeah not referring to anyone on the board. I unfollowed a friend on Facebook b/c he was hardcore raging. Posted a video (that's since been taken down otherwise I'd post it) of him smashing his lego death star. There's bigger questions there (like why is a 36 year old man still playing with Legos) but yeah, he also wrote notes, long ass posts, and even started a blog page about how much he hated it. Nerd force is strong with this one. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 9:05:30 GMT -6
Hey, Legos are great.
THE BOX SAYS 4-99. NOT 4-10.
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Post by neader on Jan 4, 2018 9:07:33 GMT -6
jfc
like even when i didn't like it wasn't what other people have been complaining about (too much humor and Luke being an old get off my lawn hermit) which was super annoying to be grouped in with those losers.
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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 9:33:32 GMT -6
TLJ made me less excited about the next movie -- I felt like this movie was the final one in the trilogy.
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 9:38:41 GMT -6
The nerd enthrallment of Snoke is baffling to me. At no point in 7 does anyone stop and go, 'We have no idea who Snoke is, he's such a mystery!' Even the way Han and Leia speak of him just points at him being an Evil Guy. No 'mystery' was set up. When I watched the originals as a kid I didn't get through 5 going, 'But where did this Emperor guy come from??'
Rey's parents, yeah JJ tried to build that as a mystery arc in 7. But I genuinely believe the reveal in TLJ is a wonderful payoff and not a rebuke.
Again, looking back at the original trilogy, I don't think you watch 4 and 5 wondering who Luke's dad was. That's why the Vader reveal works and has such staying power. It isn't telegraphed as a Big Deal - Obi-Wan mentions Anakin in 4 but it isn't a driving force.
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Post by thebosma on Jan 4, 2018 9:39:24 GMT -6
I don’t hate anything enough to start a blog devoted to it, good lord
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Post by mookie on Jan 4, 2018 9:39:29 GMT -6
(and connecting that to the nobody boy at the end who we see use the force) Wait wait wait what??? I remember the kid having the Rebel symbol ring/thing, but I didn't see him using the force at all... What happened? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 9:40:30 GMT -6
(and connecting that to the nobody boy at the end who we see use the force) Wait wait wait what??? I remember the kid having the Rebel symbol ring/thing, but I didn't see him using the force at all... What happened? he force pulls the broom at the end to sweep the floor while he looks up at the stars |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 9:40:58 GMT -6
(and connecting that to the nobody boy at the end who we see use the force) Wait wait wait what??? I remember the kid having the Rebel symbol ring/thing, but I didn't see him using the force at all... What happened? It's real small, he reaches for a broom, and it's pulled into his hand. |
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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 9:41:12 GMT -6
Wretched has sufferedfrom the Mandala Effect
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 9:42:24 GMT -6
I don’t hate anything enough to start a blog devoted to it, good lord Right?? Why would you devote that much energy to tearing something down? That's a legit disorder. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 9:42:27 GMT -6
Rey's parents, yeah JJ tried to build that as a mystery arc in 7. But I genuinely believe the reveal in TLJ is a wonderful payoff and not a rebuke. This I fully agree with. I was reading an article that compared it to the Vader reveal, and made the strong point that in each movie, it's the piece of information that would psychologically demoralize that person the most. Which is an excellent second of three movies move. |
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Post by mookie on Jan 4, 2018 9:44:14 GMT -6
Wait wait wait what??? I remember the kid having the Rebel symbol ring/thing, but I didn't see him using the force at all... What happened? he force pulls the broom at the end to sweep the floor while he looks up at the stars Ahh, I was probably getting up and getting ready to leave when he did that. I do need to see htis again. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 9:44:22 GMT -6
I don’t hate anything enough to start a blog devoted to it, good lord That's a legit disorder. Alright, this is to everyone on this page. Let's not denigrate folks who have disorders that actively impair their lives, and let's not pretend that perfectly normal people can't love something to an unhealthy degree. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 9:45:44 GMT -6
he force pulls the broom at the end to sweep the floor while he looks up at the stars Ahh, I was probably getting up and getting ready to leave when he did that. I do need to see htis again. If you just want the clip, here's a terrible phone recorded version.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:01:21 GMT -6
Alright, this is to everyone on this page. Let's not denigrate folks who have disorders that actively impair their lives, and let's not pretend that perfectly normal people can't love something to an unhealthy degree. fwiw this guy is a Star Wars fanatic. His engagement photos are of them dressed as storm troopers, and for a full year leading up to TLJ it was the only thing he talked about. It's genuinely a part of his life that he's not ashamed of, or feels awkward about. I went to high school with him, and he's a nice guy, just lives his life by the Force a lot more than I do (which is not at all). |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:05:59 GMT -6
Alright, this is to everyone on this page. Let's not denigrate folks who have disorders that actively impair their lives, and let's not pretend that perfectly normal people can't love something to an unhealthy degree. fwiw this guy is a Star Wars fanatic. His engagement photos are of them dressed as storm troopers, and for a full year leading up to TLJ it was the only thing he talked about. It's genuinely a part of his life that he's not ashamed of, or feels awkward about. I went to high school with him, and he's a nice guy, just lives his life by the Force a lot more than I do (which is not at all). And everything there is fair to say. This forum is just a clear and pristine glass house when it comes to looking down on people for caring a lot about things. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:06:54 GMT -6
as far as rambling goes, i admittedly am planning on writing a nerdy massive piece of TLJ after a few more viewings, both positive and negative, like i used to do for anyone who remembers those on fb back in the day. so i dont see a problem with ranting and hardcore fandom. even on a frequent basis because that's just how SW fans are.
videos of him destroying his legos and the whole "remove this movie from canon" movement is definitely overreacting but then again everything about this movie can be called that at this point.
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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 10:09:35 GMT -6
The Star Wars Universe is so limited, I have sympathy for any director trying to come in and direct a competent blockbuster.
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Post by doso on Jan 4, 2018 10:10:43 GMT -6
he force pulls the broom at the end to sweep the floor while he looks up at the stars Ahh, I was probably getting up and getting ready to leave when he did that. I do need to see htis again. I totally missed this too! Along with the Jedi books in the Millenium Falcon. Count me among those who appreciate Rey being a rando who just happens to be super in tune with the Force. |
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Post by facts on Jan 4, 2018 10:12:30 GMT -6
TLJ made me less excited about the next movie -- I felt like this movie was the final one in the trilogy. Can't believe I'm agreeing with UA but this is where I netted out. I don't feel like they built up angles I care about now. If people find what Rian did was interesting, that's cool. It just made me less invested in ep9 which is unfortunate. I was fine with whatever they did with Luke - I just don't know what the build is even supposed to be for 9. Snoke was built up as the top heel and he slipped on a banana peel and got jobbed out. So the top heel for 9 is Kylo - who doesn't seem like that much of a bad guy as he is just misunderstood and bitter after a fight with his uncle? I get that Rian made 8 interesting by turning the tables and subverting (!!!!) expectations, but it doesn't do much for my anticipation for 9. There is no Jabba the Hutt or Han Solo in carbonite. There are two super force powerful people who kinda might want to fight or kinda maybe want to hook up. If people dig that, cool. I was hoping for something different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:12:40 GMT -6
yeah i missed the books as well. and also the entire first battle. so basically everyone should see this movie at least twice |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:14:55 GMT -6
fwiw i dont think i'll be as hyped for 9 either but not for that reason -- i'll be less hyped because i know JJ is doing it and it'll be more like 7. fun and entertaining and probably good clean fun with a relatively simple plot and lots of fun callbacks for fans. which is fine.
i've been hyped for 8 since Rian was announced because i knew it would be something outta left field (and it was) so the payoff to see him subvert aforementioned plots is just what i wanted.
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