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Post by Kamera on Jan 4, 2018 10:16:40 GMT -6
I mean they got that guy who directed Looper and one other movie (I can't remember the name)...what could go wrong?
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:19:22 GMT -6
TLJ made me less excited about the next movie -- I felt like this movie was the final one in the trilogy. So the top heel for 9 is Kylo - who doesn't seem like that much of a bad guy as he is just misunderstood and bitter after a fight with his uncle? I do totally get this. There's not a clear definite conflict ready to be resolved, other than it's going to be Rey and Finn vs. Kylo. But that said, I personally feel like Kylo has been built up as a psychologically tormented, unsure and unpredictable, dangerously powerful character. He has more rage bubbling under the surface than Anakin ever did. I see a ton of potential there for a terrifying villain if he snaps / latches onto a clear ideology. |
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 10:21:10 GMT -6
'Misunderstood and bitter' feels like an understatement... He's a powerful loose cannon Sith who is now motivated to destroy everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:24:50 GMT -6
'Misunderstood and bitter' feels like an understatement... He's a powerful loose cannon Sith who is now motivated to destroy everything. agreed. it's crazy to me how many people dont like kylo's arc or dont see him as a good villain (no shade-tossing at Facts. i've heard tons of people say it) i felt like his conflict with the dark side has been great in 7 and 8 and the twist with Snoke is the perfect Sith moment where he makes us think he has a chance to be good and then ultimately does what every Sith does and takes the reigns from his master -- making him the ultimately baddy in 9. and his battle with Luke exemplifies the hubris we've seen in Snoke, Vader, Palaptine, etc. all the while we see he's still conflicted, like Vader was when Luke pressed him on the issue. Snoke was just another Palpatine (vague shadowy figure pulling the strings, ultimately undone by his protege) and im glad they didnt wait until 9 to repeat the process. |
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Post by facts on Jan 4, 2018 10:24:53 GMT -6
I kind of expected Rey to be random so that was a non-issue for me, but my bigger complaint was how they handled the original Kylo turn at the Jedi temple. I thought there were a lot of interesting options there and they built up the intrigue so well in TFA with the flashbacks, but I found the delivery in TLJ to be really goofy. It feels like there was so much potential and the end result was a misunderstanding.
I was hoping he'd go all out and have it revealed that Luke killed Rey's parents or something.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:26:22 GMT -6
'Misunderstood and bitter' feels like an understatement... He's a powerful loose cannon Sith who is now motivated to destroy everything. Snoke was just another Palpatine (vague shadowy figure pulling the strings, ultimately undone by his protege) and im glad they didnt wait until 9 to repeat the process. This is 100% why I do hope he's actually gone, by the way. It'd just be JJ repeating the original trilogy again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:26:43 GMT -6
I kind of expected Rey to be random so that was a non-issue for me, but my bigger complaint was how they handled the original Kylo turn at the Jedi temple. I thought there were a lot of interesting options there and they built up the intrigue so well in TFA with the flashbacks, but I found the delivery in TLJ to be really goofy. It feels like there was so much potential and the end result was a misunderstanding. I was hoping he'd go all out and have it revealed that Luke killed Rey's parents or something. i enjoyed the different perspective flashbacks of how Luke and Kylo came to heads with each other, though i would've preferred a full story rather than repeated 30 second glimpses. ultimately i do feel that the story of the new jedi order and luke's temple is unfulfilled but once irving pointed out the books on the falcon to me, i realized rey may be exploring that heavily in 9 and was okay with it. |
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Post by facts on Jan 4, 2018 10:26:58 GMT -6
I feel like Kylo is a great character - but I don't really take him seriously as a bad guy anymore. Is anyone actually rooting against him anymore? Probably not - so is he really a villain?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:27:30 GMT -6
Snoke was just another Palpatine (vague shadowy figure pulling the strings, ultimately undone by his protege) and im glad they didnt wait until 9 to repeat the process. This is 100% why I do hope he's actually gone, by the way. It'd just be JJ repeating the original trilogy again. agreed (as an opinion. i WANT him to be gone. i just dont think he is, unfortunately) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:28:25 GMT -6
I feel like Kylo is a great character - but I don't really take him seriously as a bad guy anymore. Is anyone actually rooting against him anymore? Probably not - so is he really a villain? an antagonist for sure. straight up evil? not so much. but i enjoy complexity in "villains" more than just pure bad-guy-shenanigans. |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:31:34 GMT -6
I kind of expected Rey to be random so that was a non-issue for me, but my bigger complaint was how they handled the original Kylo turn at the Jedi temple. I thought there were a lot of interesting options there and they built up the intrigue so well in TFA with the flashbacks, but I found the delivery in TLJ to be really goofy. It feels like there was so much potential and the end result was a misunderstanding. I was hoping he'd go all out and have it revealed that Luke killed Rey's parents or something. i enjoyed the different perspective flashbacks of how Luke and Kylo came to heads with each other, though i would've preferred a full story rather than repeated 30 second glimpses. Yeah, I didn't exactly love getting one second more of flashback per flashback. That felt like a real waste of time in a long movie. |
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Post by alady on Jan 4, 2018 10:31:59 GMT -6
I think that's the difference between a heel and a villain. You want the villain to be a little bit relatable, for the viewer to see a little bit of themselves in the character... the bit they're not proud of.
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Post by doso on Jan 4, 2018 10:31:59 GMT -6
Maybe Hipster Darth Vader Wannabe will create a singularity and it will eat up everything in the galaxy, including the Force, Jar-Jar Binks' vest and Jimmy Page's photo collection.
FIN.
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Post by thebosma on Jan 4, 2018 10:35:32 GMT -6
Really all I want out of this series is for Poe to get it on with a force ghost I feel like that isn’t too much to ask
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Post by thebosma on Jan 4, 2018 10:37:45 GMT -6
Oh and maybe they could involve Justin Timberlake in the next movie so there can be a scene where Poe, Kylo, and Justin all sing Please Mr Kennedy together like I’ve been joking about since 2015
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Post by facts on Jan 4, 2018 10:38:52 GMT -6
I feel like Kylo is a great character - but I don't really take him seriously as a bad guy anymore. Is anyone actually rooting against him anymore? Probably not - so is he really a villain? an antagonist for sure. straight up evil? not so much. but i enjoy complexity in "villains" more than just pure bad-guy-shenanigans. I enjoy his character quite a bit and I get the complexity, I just am not sure what they are building to in the final climax for 9. I guess it's the Rey-Kylo rematch from ep7? That just doesn't work as well for me because we've already seen it and we probably don't want to root against either. |
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Post by teekoh on Jan 4, 2018 10:40:45 GMT -6
The other main conflict is Finn/Poe vs. Hux/First Order, right?
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:42:54 GMT -6
The other main conflict is Finn/Poe vs. Hux/First Order, right? Yeah, and that's the storyline I am worried about being an utter disappointment. It's got to be something special to redeem the last two movies for Finn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:45:10 GMT -6
The other main conflict is Finn/Poe vs. Hux/First Order, right? if phasma is gone then finn v hux makes sense. i think poe is gonna stick with being a space battle junky. i guess there would've been something with him and leia at wits' end in 9 but now who knows. but my parents' current hope is to see poe and rey hook up apparently since they had an awkward meeting at the end of 8 |
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:45:56 GMT -6
The other main conflict is Finn/Poe vs. Hux/First Order, right? if phasma is gone then finn v hux makes sense. i think poe is gonna stick with being a space battle junky. i guess there would've been something with him and leia at wits' end in 9 but now who knows. but my parents' current hope is to see poe and rey hook up apparently since they had an awkward meeting at the end of 8 There is, unfortunately, literally no way Phasma is gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:48:21 GMT -6
agreed re: phasma
wish they would do more with her since gwendoline is so badass.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:49:46 GMT -6
JJ tried to build everything and everyone up so big in one movie, instead of pacing it out, and I think that's a big part of why I balked after I had time to digest it.
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 10:53:21 GMT -6
I think Finn's character has been real weak through the entire trilogy and I doubt they'll be able to redeem it. The bait/switch of TFA's marketing - hyping Finn as the new POC Jedi and then the gradual realization that Rey was the new female Jedi - was cool in the moment and Rey is a phenomenal character but now we're stuck with the one black guy kind of being a bumbling comic relief.
This is way more of a TFA complaint than anything but Finn, being a stormtroopwe raised from birth, should really be more socially awkward in a cold way, not socially awkward in a goofy fun 2017 way. When he tells Rey he fell for her because she's the first person to look at him like a human, it's sweet but unearned because he acts completely human. And he'd also met Poe.
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Post by facts on Jan 4, 2018 10:54:02 GMT -6
No lie I thought Poe and Laura Dern's character were going to hook up. Finding out about Laura and Baron IRL was an ok consolidation prize.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:56:38 GMT -6
i liked that finn became less of a coward in this one and i would've applauded the move to have him sacrifice himself at the end, but i also was kinda expecting them not to do it since they always hype him as a second biggest character after rey.
it's an okay story overall and it could have a good payoff in 9.
the casino sideline with rose in 8 didnt do a lot of favors though other than "rich people living off the backs of poor people is bad, mmkay?"
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 10:57:37 GMT -6
Maybe Phasma will come back and take off her helmet and she'll have been Snoke the whole time and everyone can shut the hell up.
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Post by Xamnam on Jan 4, 2018 10:59:02 GMT -6
Frozen take: Rose stopping Finn was the low point of that entire movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 10:59:17 GMT -6
Maybe Phasma will come back and take off her helmet and she'll have been Snoke the whole time and everyone can shut the hell up. nah man we saw her eye in this one. HER FUCKING EYE |
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 11:02:06 GMT -6
S/he obviously projected that eye!
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Post by irvred on Jan 4, 2018 11:05:24 GMT -6
Frozen take: Rose stopping Finn was the low point of that entire movie. Okay, this bothered me in TFA's climax and it's eating away at this one, too - does no one know how to stage action with geographic consistency? Rose is looking over her RIGHT shoulder at Finn when he's going in for the suicide run, and then she knocks him out from HIS right. Not only that, but Finn then drags Rose's body back the same distance it took the speeders entire minutes to cross - presumably while the whole First Order fires their guns on Luke. |
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