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Post by Xamnam on Jul 5, 2018 8:37:38 GMT -6
Just don't sign the next one. Checkmate, atheists.
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Post by neader on Jul 5, 2018 8:39:47 GMT -6
I would assume. Like I said in my og post I'm talking to our old director of comp who handled this stuff about it. I do honestly think that our company doesn't care enough to go after people for this. It's kinda crazy that they could fire you and then demand you pay them back that much $$$ edit: yeah it definitely applies to both since I signed one for each move. That's insane, so if they move you every 18 months you're just constantly starting this cycle over and over again? Yes. But it also doesn't cancel the one before it. So if I were to move again and leave the company before March of 2019 I'd owe back three moves. |
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Post by rango420 on Jul 5, 2018 8:41:02 GMT -6
Invite everyone into your office with the door open one by one and play them "Ants Marching" at a medium volume and just keep yelling "have you heard this thing? this rocks!"
you'll either be everyones new favorite office bud or you'll get fired win win.
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Post by neader on Jul 5, 2018 8:45:33 GMT -6
Maybe you can just figure out a way to get yourself fired that doesn't fall under the "misconduct" umbrella. i mean if this is my only option |
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 5, 2018 8:46:10 GMT -6
That's insane, so if they move you every 18 months you're just constantly starting this cycle over and over again? Yes. But it also doesn't cancel the one before it. So if I were to move again and leave the company before March of 2019 I'd owe back three moves. That is insane. How can that be legal? |
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 5, 2018 8:47:14 GMT -6
Maybe you can just figure out a way to get yourself fired that doesn't fall under the "misconduct" umbrella. i mean if this is my only option Here's an idea: |
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Post by doso on Jul 5, 2018 8:47:34 GMT -6
Seriously, though, most companies don't go after their ex-employees and make them pay back expenses. They realize it's part of the cost of running a business, plus it can be a hassle on their end and it has the potential to earn them a poor reputation in the job market.
I empathize with the situation; I moved from IL to NJ for work when I was in my 20s and it was tough. But I don't think I had my mind made up after just 2-3 months of living there. Maybe give it a little more time and put in an effort by trying some of Timbo's suggestions from the previous page.
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Post by pigs on Jul 5, 2018 8:47:54 GMT -6
I'd finish out Charlotte for the next year and a half. As someone who's been working in a shitty place for a year a half now, I can tell you it goes by quick. If your experience in that time is anything like mine, expect the following:
6 months in: starting to really hate this
9 months in: plotting an exit strategy
10 months in: realizing it's better to finish this
15 months in: freak out, panic, anxiety, world is ending
15.1 months in: quit smoking, start going to the beach every day, lose a non-negligible amount of weight, start to not really gaf about work
15.2 months in: buy a boat
16 months in: spending more time with family, being generally more sociable, starting to think I want to live here
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Post by rango420 on Jul 5, 2018 8:51:07 GMT -6
enjoy the Pigs advice of "I'd stick it out I'm doing it and I havent had a moment of peace until I was able to buy a boat 15 months in"
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Post by pigs on Jul 5, 2018 8:52:04 GMT -6
enjoy the Pigs advice of "I'd stick it out I'm doing it and I havent had a moment of peace until I was able to buy a boat 15 months in" it's great highly recommended |
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Post by Tweet on Jul 5, 2018 8:54:21 GMT -6
Way to bury the lede here man |
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Post by concertgoer on Jul 5, 2018 8:55:17 GMT -6
Neader if they don’t go after you for the moving expenses I would move back to Detroit. Life’s too short to spend years in a place that you hate.
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Post by neader on Jul 5, 2018 8:57:34 GMT -6
Neader if they don’t go after you for the moving expenses I would move back to Detroit. Life’s too short to spend years in a place that you hate. That's what I'm thinking, and doso confirmed my suspicions, hopefully the old director will as well. I'm still going to stick around here for a few more months, I have a few projects that are do and we're expanding the plant in October so there's a lot to do in preparation for that, after that though I think I'll leave. Just seems shitty to leave so quickly. But I was talking to my brother about this and he had a good point, it's a company, it doesn't have feelings, it won't matter when i leave or if i leave at all. But I'll still be actively searching in case something I really like comes up. |
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Post by Tweet on Jul 5, 2018 8:58:14 GMT -6
Neader if they don’t go after you for the moving expenses I would move back to Detroit. Life’s too short to sp end years in a place that you hate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 9:00:10 GMT -6
not trying to scare you but I do know a few people who severed their contracts and the company did in fact go after them. Obviously explore every avenue possible. Sometimes those contracts are scare tactics, but sometimes they are legit. Just be careful and smart about it.
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Post by neader on Jul 5, 2018 9:00:42 GMT -6
oh god
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Post by rango420 on Jul 5, 2018 9:01:11 GMT -6
gotta get back to Detroit where else can you find *checks notes* chilli cheese dogs and a start up culture that will eventually suffocate the rest of what is remaining in the city.
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Post by Tweet on Jul 5, 2018 9:02:43 GMT -6
gotta get back to Detroit where else can you find *checks notes* chilli cheese dogs and a start up culture that will eventually suffocate the rest of what is remaining in the city. You forgot the big fist |
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Post by neader on Jul 5, 2018 9:03:04 GMT -6
cheese on a coney is sacrilege.
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Post by rango420 on Jul 5, 2018 9:07:03 GMT -6
gotta get back to Detroit where else can you find *checks notes* chilli cheese dogs and a start up culture that will eventually suffocate the rest of what is remaining in the city. You forgot the big fist theres also that block where the person painted all the abandoned houses |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 9:08:09 GMT -6
not trying to scare you but I do know a few people who severed their contracts and the company did in fact go after them. Obviously explore every avenue possible. Sometimes those contracts are scare tactics, but sometimes they are legit. Just be careful and smart about it. Yeah definitely not a risk I'd be willing to take unless I was absolutely sure I wasn't going to be pursued for my financial obligation. You can plan this up as much as you want and try to leave on the best terms but you don't know how they're going to react in the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 9:08:38 GMT -6
theres also that block where the person painted all the abandoned houses Is Detroit like season 5 of The Wire these days? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 9:15:45 GMT -6
not trying to scare you but I do know a few people who severed their contracts and the company did in fact go after them. Obviously explore every avenue possible. Sometimes those contracts are scare tactics, but sometimes they are legit. Just be careful and smart about it. Yeah definitely not a risk I'd be willing to take unless I was absolutely sure I wasn't going to be pursued for my financial obligation. You can plan this up as much as you want and try to leave on the best terms but you don't know how they're going to react in the end. And it seems to be random. I signed a non-compete clause when I joined this smaller business a few years back that was in semi-direct competition with my then (and current) employer. Basically if I'd left that company I had to wait 2 years to join a company in that same industry otherwise they'd seek legal action. Coworker left and tried to go back to our old employer and they did just that. Fortunately for me that small company was purchased and made the contract voided and I was able to leave. |
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Post by rango420 on Jul 5, 2018 9:16:40 GMT -6
theres also that block where the person painted all the abandoned houses Is Detroit like season 5 of The Wire these days? It's really a hellscape that hasn't been fully explored in media. Rather than subsidizing housing and working to making the lives of people who live in Detroit better they subsidized and gave tax breaks to start ups to open in the city who only hire transplants who come from families who are willing to spot them rent while they get paid $11 an hour to work on an App that will never turn a profit and than they will leave en masse to the next city after dislocating the current residents and leaving them homeless or further away from the few available employment opportunities and leaving luxury apartment complexes which will go bankrupt and be vacant forever |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jul 5, 2018 9:20:08 GMT -6
Maybe the board can weigh in on whether this is a really stupid idea (because it kind of tips your hand), but is there any opportunity to bring up that clause with your employer and get clarity on it? If it's as bogus as it sounds, a conversation is justified and due. If it's not as bogus as it sounds, you might be able to plan more realistically.
"Hey boss, I was looking at my contract for such-and-such reason and I was having a hard time making sense of our relocation clause" or similar? I know nobody's stupid and it might tip your hand, but clarity will only help
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Post by claypoolfan on Jul 5, 2018 9:21:35 GMT -6
Bogus or not, if you signed a contract you signed a contract. The time for determining bogusness is before said contract is signed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 9:34:43 GMT -6
I might of missed this but do you have a choice in the relocation i.e. not doing it? Or is it something that you signed up for and they just place you where ever they want till the end of time? Seems like there should be an "end" to it.
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Post by neader on Jul 5, 2018 9:38:20 GMT -6
I might of missed this but do you have a choice in the relocation i.e. not doing it? Or is it something that you signed up for and they just place you where ever they want till the end of time? Seems like there should be an "end" to it. Eh, not really. When I took the job it was under the pretense that I would be doing this and like I said I thought I'd be able to handle it better than I am. |
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Post by neader on Jul 5, 2018 9:46:13 GMT -6
Maybe the board can weigh in on whether this is a really stupid idea (because it kind of tips your hand), but is there any opportunity to bring up that clause with your employer and get clarity on it? If it's as bogus as it sounds, a conversation is justified and due. If it's not as bogus as it sounds, you might be able to plan more realistically. "Hey boss, I was looking at my contract for such-and-such reason and I was having a hard time making sense of our relocation clause" or similar? I know nobody's stupid and it might tip your hand, but clarity will only help One of my friends from grad school who also works here asked for clarity on this before his second move and was told that the agreements are completely separate and one does not negate the other. So my options as I see it 1. Leave and hope they don't come after me 2. Leave and they do come after me 3. Get fired for a reason not related to misconduct 4. Get hired by a company that will cover the fee for me (fat chance) 5. Stay for 21 more months. |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jul 5, 2018 9:51:58 GMT -6
Bogus or not, if you signed a contract you signed a contract. The time for determining bogusness is before said contract is signed. Right I just meant maybe its not as bogus as he thinks it is - language could be misinterpreted or something. But it doesn't sound like that's the case anwyay |
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