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Post by Tweet on Dec 12, 2017 13:41:00 GMT -6
the cubs would have to deal russell, schwarber and at least two top prospects to get machado. for real. Yup. And that's too much for a guy whose just gonna sign with the Yankees next year anyway |
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Post by genghisnyc on Dec 12, 2017 13:41:58 GMT -6
haha.
not sure the yankees will go for him, particularly if gleybar and/or andujar shine this year. that said, far more likely they go for machado than harper.
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Post by genghisnyc on Dec 12, 2017 13:42:17 GMT -6
more excited about yankees potentially trading clint frazier plus for fulmer or cole.
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Post by Tweet on Dec 12, 2017 13:43:35 GMT -6
I'm starting to buy into the "Harper wants to play with Bryant" rumors despite my better judgement. That being said, Schawrber and someone else (probably Zobrist since Heyward's contract is ridiculous) will have to go in the next year if that's the case
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Post by Xamnam on Dec 12, 2017 13:47:54 GMT -6
I'm glad I don't have to worry about buying into those because I don't like Harper.
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Post by genghisnyc on Dec 12, 2017 13:49:08 GMT -6
that's a clown opinion, bro.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 14:15:46 GMT -6
Can't wait for the White Sox to over perform this season and make a run at Harper.
A guy can dream.
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Post by dij22 on Dec 12, 2017 14:46:01 GMT -6
more excited about yankees potentially trading clint frazier plus for fulmer or cole. I love Clint Frazier and it would be cool if the Yankees had an outfield of the three strongest men alive. That being said, Frazier for Cole would be awesome. |
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Post by genghisnyc on Dec 12, 2017 17:21:39 GMT -6
more excited about yankees potentially trading clint frazier plus for fulmer or cole. I love Clint Frazier and it would be cool if the Yankees had an outfield of the three strongest men alive. That being said, Frazier for Cole would be awesome. i think it ends up being frazier plus acavedo, sheffield, or adams, and maybe a lower level prospect. |
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Post by teekoh on Dec 12, 2017 18:00:24 GMT -6
Is that something the Mariners get in on? Or Giants?
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Post by Tweet on Dec 13, 2017 12:41:00 GMT -6
Ozuna to the Cardinals, Florida continues to be a dumpster fire
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 13, 2017 13:15:27 GMT -6
I dont get why MLB continues to allow ownership groups to run the Marlins that way. Not good for baseball.
Happy to see the hot stove heat up quite a bit today though, there have been a number of free agent signings as well. I can't believe how much some of these relievers are getting, so much for the GMs getting bargains by waiting.
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Post by Tweet on Dec 13, 2017 13:20:12 GMT -6
Playoffs the last few years have proven that the bullpen is the most important part. Gotta buy for that much when the demand is that high.
As for the fish, Deadspin had an article that basically echoed what you're saying. The fact that MLB let an ownership group take on 400 million in debt, knowing they didn't have the money for the team, is really irresponsible on a number of levels. Huge baseball community in Flordia getting screwed by bad teams (the Rays at least appear semi-competent).
Who would've thought Jeter would be more despised than A-Rod at this point
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 13:26:12 GMT -6
MLB never should have sold to that group if they had no way to pay down the $400 million in debt that Loria saddled them with. Loria had already been threatening to crash and burn the franchise, but this isn't any better.
The way they tried to intimidate Stanton into accepting their terms to a trade shows how inexperienced and unqualified this ownership team is.
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Post by andrewvb on Dec 13, 2017 14:51:11 GMT -6
at this point i would feel bad about myself if i was a marlins player and wasn't traded
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Post by Xamnam on Dec 13, 2017 14:57:19 GMT -6
This is just embarrassing.
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Post by Tweet on Dec 13, 2017 15:10:15 GMT -6
I wonder if all these GMs will send gift baskets to Jeets
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 1:00:55 GMT -6
White Sox evidently have the best offer on the table for Machado. Either Giolito or Kopech.
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Post by dij22 on Dec 14, 2017 8:15:00 GMT -6
White Sox evidently have the best offer on the table for Machado. Either Giolito or Kopech. I have been looking forward to Machado on the White Sox for years. This is amazing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 8:21:21 GMT -6
There's been some speculation that Hahn might try to flip him to the Yankees, but I'd assume Angelos would include some sort of clause to prevent that if he's really dead set on keeping Machado off the Yankees?
Hopefully there's a negotiating window if this does somehow get done.
*quickly looks to see if Machado is represented by Scott Boras*
Phew!
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 14, 2017 8:23:41 GMT -6
I would rather they just wait a year and try to sign him as a FA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 8:26:13 GMT -6
There's a better chance of getting him now if they have an exclusive negotiating window rather than going up against 10 other teams head to head.
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Post by fancypants on Dec 14, 2017 8:27:47 GMT -6
I'm struggling to understand the rush to trade for him. The Sox would be trading years of control of their young prospects for 1 year of Machado in a year they are still "rebuilding". Even if they extend him, it is not like the Sox will get a discount. The man is going to get paid either way. Why not hold on to the prospects, go after him in free agency and if you miss out spend the money elsewhere. It's not like Machado is the leader they must have either. The dudes been a hot head.
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Post by dij22 on Dec 14, 2017 8:29:22 GMT -6
They could give him a massive frontloaded contract with an opt out after 3 years and a no-trade clause, where he could make something like 120 mil in the first 3 years.
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Post by andrewvb on Dec 14, 2017 8:35:02 GMT -6
I'm struggling to understand the rush to trade for him. The Sox would be trading years of control of their young prospects for 1 year of Machado in a year they are still "rebuilding". Even if they extend him, it is not like the Sox will get a discount. The man is going to get paid either way. Why not hold on to the prospects, go after him in free agency and if you miss out spend the money elsewhere. It's not like Machado is the leader they must have either. The dudes been a hot head. my impression is they get the chance to negotiate an extension with him. if they can convince him, they win. if they can't, they trade him to the yankees for other prospects. doesn't seem like that much of a risk. |
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Post by fancypants on Dec 14, 2017 8:44:30 GMT -6
They do get the chance to negotiate with him. If they do extend him it will still be for a boatload of money which they would pay him in free agency as well. They don't have to bid against other teams - sure - but they're also giving up an elite prospect(s) to do so. Control of young talent is worth so much more than the opportunity to negotiate an extension.
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 14, 2017 8:50:02 GMT -6
I agree, Machado is not going to give the Sox any sort of discount. Why pay prospects in addition to dollars? Better to be patient, we're gonna suck this year no matter what anyway.
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 14, 2017 8:50:39 GMT -6
In other Chicago baseball news. Cubs signed Steve Cishek.
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Post by Tweet on Dec 14, 2017 8:51:47 GMT -6
In other Chicago baseball news. Cubs signed Steve Chishek. Getting there..... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 8:54:21 GMT -6
I agree, Machado is not going to give the Sox any sort of discount. Why pay prospects in addition to dollars? Better to be patient, we're gonna suck this year no matter what anyway. I don't think they're making this deal based on the idea they'd get a discount. They make this deal so Machado doesn't have to make a direct comparison between a 65 win White Sox team and a 90 plus win Yankees team offering him the same money. |
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