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Post by Pale Hose on Jan 23, 2024 9:34:53 GMT -6
Leo too.
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Post by thebosma on Jan 23, 2024 9:53:02 GMT -6
I’m just glad that Triet got the directing nomination. Incredibly well deserved. If they give anyone other than Lily Gladstone best actress it’s a major misfire on their part. Best performance of the year by a huge margin, likely the best of the last several years.
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Post by kb on Jan 23, 2024 9:55:50 GMT -6
idk i'm pulling for annette bening in nyad.
jk, never heard of that movie.
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Post by llamaoftime on Jan 23, 2024 10:19:59 GMT -6
Julianne Moore and Charles Melton were my picks for who got robbed
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Post by thebosma on Jan 23, 2024 10:33:09 GMT -6
Julianne Moore and Charles Melton were my picks for who got robbed Agreed, but I’m not entirely shocked that May December didn’t get a bunch of nominations. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 10:36:34 GMT -6
The love for The Holdovers is baffling to me. I just thought it was a mediocre white man's nobility fantasy: "It makes me feel good to blow up my life to help this privileged young white boy who has faced some adversity yet will still remain much more privileged than most people. Also, that one black woman was a nice lady."
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 10:40:09 GMT -6
I’m just glad that Triet got the directing nomination. Incredibly well deserved. If they give anyone other than Lily Gladstone best actress it’s a major misfire on their part. Best performance of the year by a huge margin, likely the best of the last several years. I dunno. A lot of people think it's category fraud. |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:09:10 GMT -6
ironically "americans think native people are ineligible for something they deserve" is also the plot of killers of the flower moon
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 11:30:24 GMT -6
"deserve" on what merits, though? As a non-white person, I'm all about awarding non-white people when they deserve it. I'm just not sure Lily Gladstone does, though. Simply being non-white isn't quite enough for me. I thought she was fine.
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Post by thebosma on Jan 23, 2024 11:36:06 GMT -6
Is it category fraud or did you just think the performance was fine?
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:37:42 GMT -6
i'm saying she deserved to be nominated, you said her nomination was being described as "category fraud" which also objectively doesn't seem to be true based on other nominations / the fact that she is like the only woman in the movie lol
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:38:45 GMT -6
can we clear up what we mean by "category fraud" i thought that was when they didn't put two people from the same movie against each other in the same category so they move one to supporting
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 11:39:21 GMT -6
Is it category fraud or did you just think the performance was fine? Why can't it be both? FWIW, I don't have a position in terms of whether or not it's really category fraud, nor do I really care. All I said is that a lot of people think her being nominated in best actress is category fraud. You don't have to look very far and wide to find people talking about that. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 11:41:18 GMT -6
can we clear up what we mean by "category fraud" i thought that was when they didn't put two people from the same movie against each other in the same category so they move one to supporting Some people think she should be in supporting. Some people think she should be a lead. Either way, I thought she was just fine. Nothing special. Definitely not a performance that left me questioning whether or not there was another actress capable of achieving the same thing. |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:42:06 GMT -6
oh people are just saying she should've been nominated for supporting actress instead of actress, not what i understood the lingo/jargon to mean but whatever
the competition in supporting actress is far easier for her to beat, are people suggesting there's been fraud committed to make the win more difficult? makes no sense to me
people are so stupid
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Post by llamaoftime on Jan 23, 2024 11:42:10 GMT -6
can we clear up what we mean by "category fraud" i thought that was when they didn't put two people from the same movie against each other in the same category so they move one to supporting I think it means choosing "Best" or "Best Supporting" based on what you'd be more likely to win instead of what it should be in But also she was the lead actress of Killers of the Flower Moon so I don't really know how that applies here |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:43:03 GMT -6
fair enough, i will admit my own misunderstanding but still stand by the point above that supporting actress is by far the easier category for her to win in this race
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 11:43:28 GMT -6
oh people are just saying she should've been nominated for supporting actress instead of actress, not what i understood the lingo/jargon to mean but whatever the competition in supporting actress is far easier for her to beat, are people suggesting there's been fraud committed to make the win more difficult? makes no sense to me people are so stupid No. They say that the fraud is that she isn't really a lead, so she should be in supporting. I do think she'd have an easier win if she were in supporting. |
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Post by wanny on Jan 23, 2024 11:44:06 GMT -6
I would easily take Emma Stone over Lily this year.
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 11:45:03 GMT -6
I would easily take Emma Stone over Lily this year. Emma Stone or Margot Robbie or even Greta Lee (though I'd have to watch Past Lives again to be sure). |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:47:38 GMT -6
the only way it would be 'fraud' would be if the lead actress category was clearly easier to win (the inverse of this actual situation); you don't commit 'fraud' to lose an advantage.
the subtext here is that these people don't want her to win best actress and i could give a rat's ass what their individual reasons are for it but it has nothing to do with 'category fraud'
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Post by llamaoftime on Jan 23, 2024 11:49:34 GMT -6
Has the Academy ever defined what constitutes Lead vs Supporting? Because Gladstone has the most screen time of any actress in the movie and has the second most screen time of the movie overall behind Leo. I don't really see how you could argue this is "category fraud" in anyway besides that if you think a movie can only have one lead and everyone else is supporting
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:51:22 GMT -6
they have not
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Post by llamaoftime on Jan 23, 2024 11:55:27 GMT -6
Also I haven't seen "Poor Things" yet so I can't objectively say but Gladstone was very good and deserving of a win overall on most years, I'd be really happy if she won
I also think Leo should have gotten a nomination but I wouldn't have given him a win. On the flip, I don't think De Niro deserved a nomination, like he was good and the right choice for that role but I don't think it was a nomination worthy performance. Honestly if you want to give someone a Supporting Actor nod I'd pick Jason Isbell over De Niro he was great (probably wouldn't nominate anyone though)
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Jan 23, 2024 11:57:15 GMT -6
barry should've gotten a nomination for hanging so much dong in saltburn
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Post by dij22 on Jan 23, 2024 12:03:43 GMT -6
I think these are my choices. Unsure about Best Actor since I loved Giamatti too, but I thought Bradley Cooper was genuinely great.
Best Picture
Killers of the Flower Moon
Best Directing
Justine Triet (Anatomy of a Fall)
Best Actor in a Leading Role
Bradley Cooper (Maestro)
Best Actress in a Leading Role
Sandra Hüller (Anatomy of a Fall)
Best Actor in a Supporting Role
Mark Ruffalo (Poor Things)
Best Actress in a Supporting Role
Da’Vine Joy Randolph (The Holdovers)
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 12:06:30 GMT -6
Also I haven't seen "Poor Things" yet so I can't objectively say but Gladstone was very good and deserving of a win overall on most years, I'd be really happy if she won I was pretty floored by Emma Stone in Poor Things. I had seen people say she’s the best actress of her generation and felt like her performance justified that claim. It’s incredible the amount of range she demonstrates in that role because of the growth of her character. I’m not sure I know of another role like it. Plus, she’s in basically every single scene. |
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Post by wanny on Jan 23, 2024 13:48:56 GMT -6
Ya Lily did a really good job but I was pretty blown away by Emma Stones performance. I’d be shocked if she doesn’t win tbh
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Post by ultravisitor on Jan 23, 2024 14:01:15 GMT -6
I won't be shocked if Emma Stone doesn't win. I know people who haven't even seen either film (and won't see either film) who want Lily Gladstone to win because she's Native American.
It's a little absurd that the two performances should even be compared, as I really don't think the roles were even close to being on the same level in terms of what they demanded from each of the actresses.
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Post by venom on Jan 23, 2024 14:23:27 GMT -6
i agree that the performances should not be compared. but i have a harder time seeing lily gladstone play bella than emma stone play mollie (ignoring the racial component, which emma stone's been in hot water about before).
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