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Post by sleeping on Aug 26, 2018 11:51:16 GMT -6
Look, I get that you want people to grieve together in shared decorum, but you're chosen kind of weird hill to die on, defending a demonstrably garbage politician whom you don't even seem to know that much about ("dude was drafted"? seriously?).
edit: Also, McCain's record as a midshipman in the Naval Academy was... really something. He was constantly being disciplined for breaking the rules, and eventually graduated 894th in a class of 899.
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Post by rango420 on Aug 26, 2018 11:51:35 GMT -6
A divided country (and broken, archaic voting system) is what allowed Trump to be elected. lmao |
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Post by rango420 on Aug 26, 2018 11:51:57 GMT -6
The bad guy won this election because there were two parties. if there was one party, the right person would win each time!
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Post by Pale Hose on Aug 26, 2018 11:56:04 GMT -6
Look, I get that you want people to grieve together in shared decorum, but you're chosen kind of weird hill to die on, defending a demonstrably garbage politician whom you don't even seem to know that much about (" dude was drafted"? seriously?). edit: Also, McCain's record as a midshipman in the Naval Academy was... really something. He was constantly being disciplined for breaking the rules, and eventually graduated 894th in a class of 899. I said this quickly, while under the influence of alcohol, and then quickly admitted I was wrong. |
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Post by Pale Hose on Aug 26, 2018 11:59:07 GMT -6
A divided country (and broken, archaic voting system) is what allowed Trump to be elected. lmao It's hilarious that a racist, petty, reality star is the leader of our country. |
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Post by neader on Aug 26, 2018 12:00:24 GMT -6
Omg
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Post by sleeping on Aug 26, 2018 12:00:38 GMT -6
Look, I get that you want people to grieve together in shared decorum, but you're chosen kind of weird hill to die on, defending a demonstrably garbage politician whom you don't even seem to know that much about (" dude was drafted"? seriously?). edit: Also, McCain's record as a midshipman in the Naval Academy was... really something. He was constantly being disciplined for breaking the rules, and eventually graduated 894th in a class of 899. I said this quickly, while under the influence of alcohol, and then quickly admitted I was wrong. So you were in such haste to defend this man that you didn't even consider basic details of his life? Shouldn't that indicate that maybe it's worth taking a step back and looking at who the man really was? Not to mention all the people in this very thread giving actual reasons that yes he actually sucked. |
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Post by goodson on Aug 26, 2018 12:01:39 GMT -6
It's hilarious that a racist, petty, reality star is the leader of our country. it's hilarious that you think that's why he was elected |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 12:02:00 GMT -6
I’ve heard three interviews where a fellow senator has been asked to name a defining legislative acheivement, and each time they’ve basically replied “uh, military stuff?”
I’m pretty much in the middle of the palehose-goodson spectrum of respect deserved, but the fawning over a dude who made some really shitty decisons has been weird. I’d be good with a nice tribute but the decision to have him lie in state is very bad.
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Post by Pale Hose on Aug 26, 2018 12:03:40 GMT -6
I said this quickly, while under the influence of alcohol, and then quickly admitted I was wrong. So you were in such haste to defend this man that you didn't even consider basic details of his life? Shouldn't that indicate that maybe it's worth taking a step back and looking at who the man really was? Not to mention all the people in this very thread giving actual reasons that yes he actually sucked. How many times can I say I don't think he was perfect, and did plenty that I disagree with? |
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Post by Tweet on Aug 26, 2018 12:07:44 GMT -6
I’ve heard three interviews where a fellow senator has been asked to name a defining legislative acheivement, and each time they’ve basically replied “uh, military stuff?” I’m pretty much in the middle of the palehose-goodson spectrum of respect deserved, but the fawning over a dude who made some really shitty decisons has been weird. I’d be good with a nice tribute but the decision to have him lie in state is very bad. Of all places, Vice actually has a pretty nice write-up about your first point |
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Post by Pale Hose on Aug 26, 2018 12:10:10 GMT -6
I said this quickly, while under the influence of alcohol, and then quickly admitted I was wrong. So you were in such haste to defend this man that you didn't even consider basic details of his life? Shouldn't that indicate that maybe it's worth taking a step back and looking at who the man really was? Not to mention all the people in this very thread giving actual reasons that yes he actually sucked. I should also point out you were in such a haste to shit on him, you didn't realize he admitted Palin was a mistake. Maybe everyone needs to take a step back. |
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Post by sleeping on Aug 26, 2018 12:13:06 GMT -6
 The Celebrity Death Thread in the off-topic section of an obscure Chicago-based music forum, hours after the death of American politician John S. McCain (2018, colorized) |
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Post by ultravisitor on Aug 26, 2018 12:17:36 GMT -6
Look, I get that you want people to grieve together in shared decorum, but you're chosen kind of weird hill to die on, defending a demonstrably garbage politician whom you don't even seem to know that much about ("dude was drafted"? seriously?). edit: Also, McCain's record as a midshipman in the Naval Academy was... really something. He was constantly being disciplined for breaking the rules, and eventually graduated 894th in a class of 899. That's all well and good, but ever since my brother died, I kinda feel like it's bad taste to shit on someone after he or she has died. |
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Post by sleeping on Aug 26, 2018 12:18:27 GMT -6
You should tell the truth about people, be they living or dead.
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Post by concertgoer on Aug 26, 2018 12:19:29 GMT -6
It really doesn’t matter that he admitted that Palin was a mistake. There are no do-overs in governring or politics.
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Post by Tweet on Aug 26, 2018 12:20:11 GMT -6
It really doesn’t matter that he admitted that Palin was a mistake. There are no do-overs in governring or politics. The Bush family would like a word with you |
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Post by ultravisitor on Aug 26, 2018 12:20:14 GMT -6
You can tell the truth about someone without shitting on them and arguing that others need to do the same.
I mean, what's your motive in being such a truth teller? People are not one dimensional. You might not have liked everything that he did, but not all of it was terrible. If you want to tell the truth, then acknowledge that much.
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Post by neader on Aug 26, 2018 12:20:59 GMT -6
Yeah his apology doesn't take away the repercussions.
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Post by neader on Aug 26, 2018 12:22:17 GMT -6
You can tell the truth about someone without shitting on them and arguing that others need to do the same. It'd be different if the opposing argument wasn't "nobody is perfect" on repeat. |
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Post by rango420 on Aug 26, 2018 12:25:33 GMT -6
You can tell the truth about someone without shitting on them and arguing that others need to do the same. I mean, what's your motive in being such a truth teller? People are not one dimensional. You might not have liked everything that he did, but not all of it was terrible. If you want to tell the truth, then acknowledge that much. nobody can name a good thing other than "pobody's nerfect!" |
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Post by Pale Hose on Aug 26, 2018 12:25:50 GMT -6
Yeah his apology doesn't take away the repercussions. The repercussions were him losing the election and the Palins getting a reality show. |
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Post by ultravisitor on Aug 26, 2018 12:27:30 GMT -6
You can tell the truth about someone without shitting on them and arguing that others need to do the same. I mean, what's your motive in being such a truth teller? People are not one dimensional. You might not have liked everything that he did, but not all of it was terrible. If you want to tell the truth, then acknowledge that much. nobody can name a good thing other than "pobody's nerfect!" Actually, I think people can, but they probably won't because they're not interested in being shouted down. |
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Post by Pale Hose on Aug 26, 2018 12:29:17 GMT -6
You can tell the truth about someone without shitting on them and arguing that others need to do the same. I mean, what's your motive in being such a truth teller? People are not one dimensional. You might not have liked everything that he did, but not all of it was terrible. If you want to tell the truth, then acknowledge that much. nobody can name a good thing other than "pobody's nerfect!" I already pointed out that as recently as last year he cast the deciding vote in preventing the repeal of ACA, but you chose to spin that into a negative to fit your own narrative. You clearly don't want to hear a counter argument. |
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Post by rango420 on Aug 26, 2018 12:30:59 GMT -6
nobody can name a good thing other than "pobody's nerfect!" I already pointed out that as recently as last year he cast the deciding vote in preventing the repeal of ACA, but you chose to spin that into a negative to fit your own narrative. You clearly don't want to hear a counter argument. He was a vocal opponent of the ACA, it's not a narrative. |
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Post by rango420 on Aug 26, 2018 12:31:43 GMT -6
nobody can name a good thing other than "pobody's nerfect!" Actually, I think people can, but they probably won't because they're not interested in being shouted down. if yr a true fan name 3 albums (good things that weren't just the least shitty parts of the the shitty things he believed) |
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Post by ultravisitor on Aug 26, 2018 12:34:05 GMT -6
I never claimed to be a fan. I just think it's pointless and dumb to keep shitting on someone who just died. He's not going to make any more decisions that hurt you and your feelings unless you think he's going to rise from the dead and/or haunt you in your sleep.
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Post by Pale Hose on Aug 26, 2018 12:34:13 GMT -6
I already pointed out that as recently as last year he cast the deciding vote in preventing the repeal of ACA, but you chose to spin that into a negative to fit your own narrative. You clearly don't want to hear a counter argument. He was a vocal opponent of the ACA, it's not a narrative. But he still voted against the repeal, and broke from his party to do so. |
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Post by goodson on Aug 26, 2018 12:34:57 GMT -6
nobody can name a good thing other than "pobody's nerfect!" I already pointed out that as recently as last year he cast the deciding vote in preventing the repeal of ACA, but you chose to spin that into a negative to fit your own narrative. You clearly don't want to hear a counter argument. u know he then voted for the tax reform which effectively removed the individual mandate of the ACA, causing insurers to raise their rates for people who desperately need it or did you not know this |
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Post by rango420 on Aug 26, 2018 12:35:02 GMT -6
He was a vocal opponent of the ACA, it's not a narrative. But he still voted against the repeal, and broke from his party to do so. Thoughts on George Wallace? |
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