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Post by genghisnyc on Jul 6, 2017 22:41:41 GMT -6
knicks aren't signing rose.
"Restricted Atlanta Hawks free agent Tim Hardaway Jr. has signed a four-year, $71 million offer sheet with the New York Knicks, league sources told ESPN."
what in the fuck? i thought they'd be less incompetent without phil around...
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Post by cardi bqtrain on Jul 9, 2017 16:53:43 GMT -6
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Post by claypoolfan on Jul 24, 2017 17:59:07 GMT -6
Rose to the Cavs is a done deal.
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Post by fiveiron83321 on Jul 24, 2017 22:17:15 GMT -6
so Kyrie wants a trade and apparently wanted to go tot the bulls before they traded Butler  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 9:36:52 GMT -6
All the lols.
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Post by Blue42 on Jul 25, 2017 10:51:41 GMT -6
so Kyrie wants a trade and apparently wanted to go tot the bulls before they traded Butler Not sure if the Bulls had the assets to get him. A deal would almost have to include Wade to make the salaries work, so something like this would be the best the Bulls could do: Irving/Shumpert for Wade/The Bulls 2017 First Rounder/Valentine Maybe they could have thrown in Rondo's deal and let the Cavs decide if they wanted to roll with Rondo or cut him and sign another PG (like Rose). As a Bulls fan, it's really pretty sad that all the front office needed to do was be somewhat competent and they would have had one of the four best rosters in the East. And with the way things are going in Cleveland, that could have made them an actual contender. |
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Post by teekoh on Jul 25, 2017 11:22:15 GMT -6
It's incredibly sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 12:42:23 GMT -6
What would have happened is Irving to the Bulls would be red hot and instead he'd pick (insert team here) and the Bulls would still be a 500 boring team. What most likely will happen is he will be traded somewhere and I'm guessing Wade ends up in Cleveland sooner now than expected (and yes, I completely expect him to be wearing a Cavs jersey by the end of the season).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:06:37 GMT -6
Messed with the trade machine and this one was accepted. Bulls unfortunately HAVE to take on Faried because otherwise salaries won't allow it to work. As a result, I'd assume Chicago would want draft pick(s), which is why they are thrown in:
Cleveland Gets:
Dwyane Wade (CHI)-$23.8m
Gary Harris (DEN)-$2.6m
Jameer Nelson (DEN)-$4.7
(projected wins adjustment: 0)
Chicago Gets:
Kenneth Faried (DEN)-$12.9m
Jamal Murray (DEN)-$3.4m
Denvers 2018 First Round Selection (top 15 protected?)
(projected wins adjustment: -1)
Denver Gets:
Kyrie Irving (CLE)-$18.9m
Iman Schumpert (CLE)-$10.3m
(projected wins adjustment: 0)
Projected Lineups:
Cleveland
Dwyane Wade/Gary Harris/LeBron James/Kevin Love/Tristan Tompson
bench: JR Smith/Derrick Rose/Deron Williams/Channing Frye/Richard Jefferson/Jameer Nelson
Denver
Kyrie Irving/Will Barton/Wilson chandler/Paul Milsap/Nikola Jokic
bench: Iman Shumpert/Malik Beasley/Trey Lyles/Emmanuel Mudiay/Darrell Arthur
Chicago
Kris Dunn/Jamal Murray/Lauri Markkanen/Kenneth Faried/Robin Lopez
Bench: Christiano Felicio/Zach LaVine/Bobby Portis/Denzel Valentine/Paul Zipser
can probably just let Niko walk if this went through.
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Post by teekoh on Jul 25, 2017 13:09:27 GMT -6
I don't think Kyrie wanted to play for the Nuggets, tho.
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Post by cardi bqtrain on Jul 25, 2017 13:11:25 GMT -6
I'd be cool with Kenneth Faried cause he's been dunkin since a youngen
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Post by rango420 on Jul 25, 2017 13:16:22 GMT -6
Messed with the trade machine and this one was accepted. Bulls unfortunately HAVE to take on Faried because otherwise salaries won't allow it to work. As a result, I'd assume Chicago would want draft pick(s), which is why they are thrown in: Cleveland Gets: Dwyane Wade (CHI)-$23.8m Gary Harris (DEN)-$2.6m Jameer Nelson (DEN)-$4.7 (projected wins adjustment: 0) Chicago Gets: Kenneth Faried (DEN)-$12.9m Jamal Murray (DEN)-$3.4m Denvers 2018 First Round Selection (top 15 protected?) (projected wins adjustment: -1) Denver Gets: Kyrie Irving (CLE)-$18.9m Iman Schumpert (CLE)-$10.3m (projected wins adjustment: 0) Projected Lineups: ClevelandDwyane Wade/Gary Harris/LeBron James/Kevin Love/Tristan Tompson bench: JR Smith/Derrick Rose/Deron Williams/Channing Frye/Richard Jefferson/Jameer Nelson DenverKyrie Irving/Will Barton/Wilson chandler/Paul Milsap/Nikola Jokic bench: Iman Shumpert/Malik Beasley/Trey Lyles/Emmanuel Mudiay/Darrell Arthur ChicagoKris Dunn/Jamal Murray/Lauri Markkanen/Kenneth Faried/Robin Lopez Bench: Christiano Felicio/Zach LaVine/Bobby Portis/Denzel Valentine/Paul Zipser can probably just let Niko walk if this went through.  |
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Post by Blue42 on Jul 25, 2017 14:30:25 GMT -6
Portland just traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson (who they're going to waive and stretch). So Portland basically just made this move to create a $13 million trade exception.
The also pushed back Pat Connaughton's guarantee date for his $1.5 million to the end of August.
This definitely looks like the first part of a bigger move, and Portland could possibly be a Love, Anderson or Melo destination in a three-team deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:32:35 GMT -6
Portland seems like it has a really fun and devoted fanbase. It'd be nice to see them get another marquee player to get them over the hump.
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Post by teekoh on Jul 25, 2017 14:39:03 GMT -6
I feel like Brooklyn might have the makings of something worth paying attention to? I can't remember what all they've done, but I seem to recall them putting a couple of pieces together this offseason after being such a mess for so long.
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Post by goodson on Jul 25, 2017 14:41:46 GMT -6
ya nets are gonna have a fun squad next season, will def be going to a couple games especially bc it's so cheap
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Post by dij22 on Jul 25, 2017 14:44:36 GMT -6
Portland just traded Allen Crabbe to Brooklyn for Andrew Nicholson (who they're going to waive and stretch). So Portland basically just made this move to create a $13 million trade exception. The also pushed back Pat Connaughton's guarantee date for his $1.5 million to the end of August. This definitely looks like the first part of a bigger move, and Portland could possibly be a Love, Anderson or Melo destination in a three-team deal. There should be a 30 for 30 on the Blazers atrocious moves in free agency last year. Allen Crabbe got 4/75, Evan Turner got 4/70, Meyers Leonard got 4/41, and Mo Harkless got 4/42. |
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Post by llamaoftime on Jul 25, 2017 14:56:59 GMT -6
This definitely looks like the first part of a bigger move, and Portland could possibly be a Love, Anderson or Melo destination in a three-team deal. melo going to Houston ryno going to Portland |
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Post by dij22 on Jul 25, 2017 15:01:04 GMT -6
This definitely looks like the first part of a bigger move, and Portland could possibly be a Love, Anderson or Melo destination in a three-team deal. melo going to Houston ryno going to Portland That makes sense but I just don't understand why Portland would help facilitate a Melo move instead of just getting Melo. Getting Ryan Anderson and allowing another Western Conference team to get Melo isn't improving their chances at getting to the WCF. |
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Post by llamaoftime on Jul 25, 2017 15:03:18 GMT -6
melo going to Houston ryno going to Portland That makes sense but I just don't understand why Portland would help facilitate a Melo move instead of just getting Melo. Getting Ryan Anderson and allowing another Western Conference team to get Melo isn't improving their chances at getting to the WCF. Ryno would fit well on that team IMO but I will admit I am struggling to see where it's worth it unless they are getting like Ariza or someone too, which I'd really hate to give him up.
That being said I do not think Melo waives his NTC for Portland at all and rumors are pointing to Blazers being third team in a Melo to Houston deal
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Post by borracho on Jul 25, 2017 15:11:51 GMT -6
but bill simmons says melo and okc are circling each other! not gonna lie, that'd be fun to watch - russ, paul george, melo...
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Post by Blue42 on Jul 25, 2017 19:21:20 GMT -6
That makes sense but I just don't understand why Portland would help facilitate a Melo move instead of just getting Melo. Getting Ryan Anderson and allowing another Western Conference team to get Melo isn't improving their chances at getting to the WCF. Ryno would fit well on that team IMO but I will admit I am struggling to see where it's worth it unless they are getting like Ariza or someone too, which I'd really hate to give him up.
That being said I do not think Melo waives his NTC for Portland at all and rumors are pointing to Blazers being third team in a Melo to Houston deal
Yeah, I don't think Melo would waive his NTC for Portland, even with all the recruiting Dame and CJ have been doing this offseason. But does Houston really give him a better chance to win than Portland? Look at it this way: Paul/Harden/Ariza/Melo/Capela vs. Dame/CJ/Harkless/Melo/Nurkic I'm not really sure you can say one is definitively better than the other. And wherever Melo goes, he's going there for two years. And there's much more stability in Portland than Houston, where CP is a free agent after this year. |
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Post by Blue42 on Jul 25, 2017 19:29:18 GMT -6
I feel like Brooklyn might have the makings of something worth paying attention to? I can't remember what all they've done, but I seem to recall them putting a couple of pieces together this offseason after being such a mess for so long. 1. Traded Brook Lopez's expiring for D'Angelo Russell and the last 3 years of Mozgov's shitty contract. 2. Received the Raptors' 2018 1st and 2nd rounders for taking on the last two years of Demarre Carroll's shitty contract. 3. Get Allen Crabbe for basically nothing. So yeah, they are basically doing what I wish the Bulls were doing right now (acquiring assets in exchange for taking on bad/expiring money). Brooklyn's core going forward is basically Russell, Crabbe and Caris LaVert, who looked awesome in the second half of last year. Their 1-3 spots are basically set for the next few years, and the league's current economy makes it pretty easy to fill those 4-5 spots. Sean Marks has done a really good job since taking over and things are finally looking up after those awful KG/Pierce and Deron Williams deals. |
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Post by llamaoftime on Jul 25, 2017 19:46:27 GMT -6
Ryno would fit well on that team IMO but I will admit I am struggling to see where it's worth it unless they are getting like Ariza or someone too, which I'd really hate to give him up.
That being said I do not think Melo waives his NTC for Portland at all and rumors are pointing to Blazers being third team in a Melo to Houston deal
Yeah, I don't think Melo would waive his NTC for Portland, even with all the recruiting Dame and CJ have been doing this offseason. But does Houston really give him a better chance to win than Portland? Look at it this way: Paul/Harden/Ariza/Melo/Capela vs. Dame/CJ/Harkless/Melo/Nurkic I'm not really sure you can say one is definitively better than the other. And wherever Melo goes, he's going there for two years. And there's much more stability in Portland than Houston, where CP is a free agent after this year. wait what? of course that Houston line-up is better. Harden is a runner up MVP candidate and one of the best in the league. I'd argue Chris Paul is a better point guard than Lillard. And you forge that Houston has the reigning 6th man of the year coming off the bench in Eric Gordon, plus just added PJ Tucker and Luc Mbah a Moute to shore up the defense, both coming off the bench. On top of that are we already forgetting Houston had a good team already? They were the number 3 seed and just added Chris Paul to that team. Portland was the 8 seed and added what to their team? As far as stability, Houston has James Harden locked up for like the next 7 years and he's a better player than anyone on Portland. They also have CP3's bird rights which is the whole reason for trading for him instead of letting him opt out and sign with them, which gives them a huge advantage in re-signing him. I mean I'm a Rockets homer to be fair but am I don't see how that Rockets line-up isn't easily better, specially when you add in Gordon as the sixth man. Hell, I don't even necessarily think the Blazers with Melo are better than the Rockets without Melo |
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Post by teekoh on Jul 25, 2017 21:53:56 GMT -6
I feel like Brooklyn might have the makings of something worth paying attention to? I can't remember what all they've done, but I seem to recall them putting a couple of pieces together this offseason after being such a mess for so long. 1. Traded Brook Lopez's expiring for D'Angelo Russell and the last 3 years of Mozgov's shitty contract. 2. Received the Raptors' 2018 1st and 2nd rounders for taking on the last two years of Demarre Carroll's shitty contract. 3. Get Allen Crabbe for basically nothing. So yeah, they are basically doing what I wish the Bulls were doing right now (acquiring assets in exchange for taking on bad/expiring money). Brooklyn's core going forward is basically Russell, Crabbe and Caris LaVert, who looked awesome in the second half of last year. Their 1-3 spots are basically set for the next few years, and the league's current economy makes it pretty easy to fill those 4-5 spots. Sean Marks has done a really good job since taking over and things are finally looking up after those awful KG/Pierce and Deron Williams deals. Ty for writing all this out. I knew they had done some good stuff. |
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Post by Blue42 on Jul 26, 2017 10:33:05 GMT -6
I forgot that Brooklyn also traded Bogdanovich at the trade deadline for Washington's first round pick (#22). Brooklyn took Jarrett Allen with that pick. He didn't play in summer league, but he looks like he has potential as a rim protector and roll man.
Bogdanovich has already left Washington, so Brooklyn clearly won that deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 10:56:15 GMT -6
So many moves.
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Post by cardi bqtrain on Jul 26, 2017 10:58:27 GMT -6
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Post by Blue42 on Jul 26, 2017 12:30:17 GMT -6
This definitely looks like the first part of a bigger move, and Portland could possibly be a Love, Anderson or Melo destination in a three-team deal. melo going to Houston ryno going to Portland Messed around on the trade machine a bit today, and I've come to the conclusion that the Crabbe deal was done so that Portland could acquire either Eric Gordon ($12.9 mil) or Courtney Lee ($11.7 mil) with that $13 mil. trade exception. I think this is the best one I've come up with: www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7bopc5bHere's why I like it: D'Antoni might actually think he can do something with Leonard. He'd be the only stretch 5 on the roster, and could functionally work as a cheaper version of Anderson. He's just not going to start. If everyone can stay healthy, Paul/Harden/Melo/Ariza/Capela is about as good a lineup as you can have if you're trying to compete with the Warriors. They would probably just have to grab another guard from the scrap heap of ring chasers willing to play for cheap (Best case: Ian Clark. Worst case: Deron Williams). Portland gets a stretch 4 who can help create space for Dame and CJ and leave the paint open for Nurkic. They also get their third guard in Lee, who can play the 2 while Dame and CJ are being staggered as the primary ball handler, and probably play the 3 in small-ball and/or closing lineups. The Knicks get a hometown guy in Harkless, who can step right in with Hardaway as the two starting wings. Harkless and the Knicks have had a rumored mutual interest for a while. Gordon is a veteran guard who can help mentor and play with Frank Ntilikina. As they're currently constructed, it feels like New York wants to start Frank right out of the gate, so Gordon can play the same role he had in Houston as the third guard who can either play on or off the ball. Ed Davis's expiring contract is just thrown to make the numbers work, but it also gives the Knicks some cap relief for next summer. who says no? |
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Post by claypoolfan on Aug 10, 2017 11:40:50 GMT -6
Zach Randolph got arrested last night for felony drug possession with intent to sell.
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