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Post by monasterymonochrome on Sept 13, 2021 9:38:04 GMT -6
I just wish one of these indie bands who flirt with jam tropes/sounds (VW, AnCo, Real Estate, etc) would actually lean into it. Would be awesome and would be a cool way to expand their audience/longevity? Did some more thinking on this topic. More bands that could fit this category: Unknown Mortal Orchestra, Grizzly Bear, War on Drugs (who're kinda close to there already), Malkmus (who WAS there w/ Real Emotional Trash but should go even further in that direction), and Wilco (at least on record: less whispery Tweedy singing and more Nels pls) So basically all the canonical Dad Rock bands |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Sept 13, 2021 9:41:18 GMT -6
I just don't think "bands that play their songs for longer" are jam bands
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Sept 13, 2021 9:46:48 GMT -6
Yea I agree - all the groups I mentioned above have songs with really great instrumental passages that - sometimes - are extended live. But I want to see them really get into the weeds with them and see what happens.
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Post by perdhapley on Sept 13, 2021 9:48:46 GMT -6
What even is a jam band, man
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Post by ten15 on Sept 13, 2021 9:58:57 GMT -6
hot take: "_________ is a jam band now" is generally an extremely incorrect take I just wish one of these indie bands who flirt with jam tropes/sounds (VW, AnCo, Real Estate, etc) would actually lean into it. Would be awesome and would be a cool way to expand their audience/longevity? Jam band fans always overestimating how many people are into jam bands.  |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Sept 13, 2021 10:06:25 GMT -6
I just wish one of these indie bands who flirt with jam tropes/sounds (VW, AnCo, Real Estate, etc) would actually lean into it. Would be awesome and would be a cool way to expand their audience/longevity? Jam band fans always overestimating how many people are into jam bands. It's not broad appeal so much as continued appeal. If Real Estate keeps pumping out semi-formulaic records for the next decade, will they maintain their already declining audience/clout? Maybe, maybe not - depends on if the coming wave of early 2010s nostalgia is as profitable as the current wave of 2000s nostalgia. Maybe someone can write a "Meet Me In The Bathroom" about Captured Tracks lol But making a pivot to jammier territory can increase your audience size amongst a group of fans who tend to be more loyal over longer periods of time, steady festival bookings, etc. |
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Post by Kamera on Sept 13, 2021 10:09:09 GMT -6
Bartees Strange was my favorite surprise act of the weekend.
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Sept 13, 2021 10:09:13 GMT -6
What even is a jam band, man I may not be able to define jam bands, but I know it when I see it |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Sept 13, 2021 10:09:50 GMT -6
Hard pivoting back to the original intent of this thread: how was the Kim Gordon set? Seems like y'all enjoyed it - what kinda stuff did she play?
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Post by perdhapley on Sept 13, 2021 10:13:59 GMT -6
please rename the thread surge music festival 2021 Mods went power hungry again and changed the name of my thread without my consent  . 10% warning |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Sept 13, 2021 10:18:08 GMT -6
Jam band fans always overestimating how many people are into jam bands. It's not broad appeal so much as continued appeal. If Real Estate keeps pumping out semi-formulaic records for the next decade, will they maintain their already declining audience/clout? Maybe, maybe not - depends on if the coming wave of early 2010s nostalgia is as profitable as the current wave of 2000s nostalgia. Maybe someone can write a "Meet Me In The Bathroom" about Captured Tracks lol But making a pivot to jammier territory can increase your audience size amongst a group of fans who tend to be more loyal over longer periods of time, steady festival bookings, etc. i mean, this is the same question that any band ever has to ask itself regardless of whether they're going to try to "become a jam band." half of them never change, and (the royal) we complain about how all of their music sounds the same. the other half change their sound and we complain that it doesn't sound like the old stuff. but, to answer the question "what even is a jam band," i would say a band in which every (or almost every) member demonstrates improvisational talent in an unscripted / unrehearsed format that allows for true spontaneity. i love the war on drugs and i love a 12-minute jam, but them just banging out "under the pressure" for that long doesn't really make them a jam band to me dave matthews band was sort of a jam band for a few years but im pretty sure even the jams / solos are nearly identical every time they play so whats the point? vampire weekend is not a jam band |
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Post by thebosma on Sept 13, 2021 10:47:16 GMT -6
Hard pivoting back to the original intent of this thread: how was the Kim Gordon set? Seems like y'all enjoyed it - what kinda stuff did she play? She played pretty much exclusively from No Home Record and she ripped. Super energetic set and it had an incredible, almost magnetic energy to it |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Sept 13, 2021 10:53:01 GMT -6
It's not broad appeal so much as continued appeal. If Real Estate keeps pumping out semi-formulaic records for the next decade, will they maintain their already declining audience/clout? Maybe, maybe not - depends on if the coming wave of early 2010s nostalgia is as profitable as the current wave of 2000s nostalgia. Maybe someone can write a "Meet Me In The Bathroom" about Captured Tracks lol But making a pivot to jammier territory can increase your audience size amongst a group of fans who tend to be more loyal over longer periods of time, steady festival bookings, etc. i mean, this is the same question that any band ever has to ask itself regardless of whether they're going to try to "become a jam band." half of them never change, and (the royal) we complain about how all of their music sounds the same. the other half change their sound and we complain that it doesn't sound like the old stuff. but, to answer the question "what even is a jam band," i would say a band in which every (or almost every) member demonstrates improvisational talent in an unscripted / unrehearsed format that allows for true spontaneity. i love the war on drugs and i love a 12-minute jam, but them just banging out "under the pressure" for that long doesn't really make them a jam band to me dave matthews band was sort of a jam band for a few years but im pretty sure even the jams / solos are nearly identical every time they play so whats the point? vampire weekend is not a jam band Everything you said is true and is something I mostly agree with. None of these bands are really branching into improv space yet, but they've all a.) gotten to the point of drawing out instrumental passages and b.) have shown an affinity for hallmarks of jam music either in their playing (segues, solos, atmospherics, aping Jerry's guitar tones, etc. etc. etc.) or tastes (pretty sure all of them appearing on Day of the Dead, VW excepted). So, to me, they are potential candidates to answer the question of "how should our band evolve?" with "in improvisational directions." I doubt any of them really go there, as it would require a fairly large leap of faith. But they could - the prospect of which intrigues me. |
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Post by chvrchbarrel on Sept 13, 2021 11:12:41 GMT -6
good post. i agree
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Post by teekoh on Sept 13, 2021 11:13:13 GMT -6
Really fun weekend and it was great to see y’all.
Favorite sets (in order of appearance): Armand Hammer, Dogleg, Bartees, Georgia Ann Muldrow, Jamila Woods, Special Interest, Yves Tumor
Disappointments: Waxahatchee, oso oso, Danny Brown
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Post by airportman on Sept 13, 2021 11:27:46 GMT -6
Why was Danny Brown so bad?
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Post by thebosma on Sept 13, 2021 11:34:19 GMT -6
Why was Danny Brown so bad? He was extremely low energy, kept forgetting the words to his songs, and was just generally unable to keep up with his regular flow. |
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Post by thebosma on Sept 13, 2021 11:35:05 GMT -6
Disappointments: Waxahatchee, Kinda surprised by this, I thought it was a really stunning set |
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Post by llamaoftime on Sept 13, 2021 11:36:25 GMT -6
I'm enjoying this jam band discussion thing
I think there is a bit of a middle ground, not sure if we have word for it. Like you have acts that just kind of play the same set every night and it's pretty much just recreating the recorded sound, vs bands that add in fun jams to songs, mix up setlists every night, do new takes on old songs, etc. Best example I can think of is Vampire Weekend was like the former circa 2010-2014ish (and probably earlier but i saw them first in 2010) and much more like the latter in 2018 onwards, and I think it made them a SIGNIFICANTLY better live act. I think a lot of acts could stand to go the latter route.
I do not think a lot of acts need to go full jam band. there's maybe some where it'd be fun. specially for some like one off sets. but most of these acts could just go for a looser live set, not full improv. that could actually be brutal for some acts.
also animal collective only sounded like a jam band because we didn't know the songs they were playing. though they've always extended out some songs live
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Post by teekoh on Sept 13, 2021 11:36:26 GMT -6
Yeah, he started pretty well and then started forgetting the words. Once that happened he never got back on track. It was also pretty close to the same set he’s been doing for ten years. Tried doing Ain’t It Funny and Really Doe, but couldn’t get through them.
Re: Danny
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Post by teekoh on Sept 13, 2021 11:39:34 GMT -6
Disappointments: Waxahatchee, Kinda surprised by this, I thought it was a really stunning set It’s primarily because I went into it without having listened to them and I felt the energy was really low. Just not what I was hoping for at that time. They sounded fine. |
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Post by krentist on Sept 13, 2021 11:41:28 GMT -6
oso oso was one of like three acts with an electric guitar this weekend and managed to be one of the sleepiest sets somehow
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Post by llamaoftime on Sept 13, 2021 11:45:13 GMT -6
oso oso was one of like three acts with an electric guitar this weekend and managed to be one of the sleepiest sets somehow partly my own fault because a lot of the acts highest on my list to see are sleepier acts but yeah in general i wish this fest had a few more high energy sets. had a great time all around though |
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Post by krentist on Sept 13, 2021 11:46:24 GMT -6
yves tumor and St Vincent were like the only people at this beta ass fest that understand guitar solos actually are sick and cool
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Post by zircona1 on Sept 13, 2021 12:05:44 GMT -6
Why was this thread renamed the Surge Music Festival? Something happen at the fest re: Surge?
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Post by concertgoer on Sept 13, 2021 12:11:43 GMT -6
I did enjoy Danny Brown's air fryer story so there's that
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Post by munkivelli on Sept 13, 2021 12:24:51 GMT -6
Why was this thread renamed the Surge Music Festival? Something happen at the fest re: Surge? White Claw Surge was the unofficial official drink of the festival and the festival has therefore been renamed to reflect this. |
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Post by Tweet on Sept 13, 2021 12:31:44 GMT -6
oso oso was one of like three acts with an electric guitar this weekend and managed to be one of the sleepiest sets somehow Their mix was super low and it took a few tunes for my brain to catch up with it |
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Post by Tweet on Sept 13, 2021 12:32:24 GMT -6
Why was this thread renamed the Surge Music Festival? Something happen at the fest re: Surge? White Claw Surge was the unofficial official drink of the festival and the festival has therefore been renamed to reflect this. I’m surprised I only saw one person hit the ground given these were like 8% wattba |
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Post by munkivelli on Sept 13, 2021 12:48:36 GMT -6
White Claw Surge was the unofficial official drink of the festival and the festival has therefore been renamed to reflect this. I’m surprised I only saw one person hit the ground given these were like 8% wattba I can assure you that no one hit the ground on the sorry excuse for wine that they were peddling, which is usually the best abv bang for your buck at music fests. |
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