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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 7:19:22 GMT -6
She gave the Tarly's a choice and they made it. It's war, not only were they enemies but also traitors since they used to fight for Highgarden and the Tyrells.
I don't think her first reactions are death and dismemberment to those who don't deserve it. S7 we saw her really only attack those in the field of fire and the walkers north of the wall. Despite the fact that she lost the Greyjoys, Tyrells, Martells, and huge losses from Eurons surprise attack at Casterly Rock and has still managed to keep her cool and not go straight for Cersei is admirable imo.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:21:26 GMT -6
I audibly laughed when Daenerys appeared in the distance to meet with Cersei and she for some reason only brought with her a couple dozen soldiers, Tyrion, and a dragon that could easily be killed by any of the dozen crossbows mounted on the wall.
Such a lazy way to force a story forward.
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2019 7:23:01 GMT -6
She gave the Tarly's a choice and they made it. It's war, not only were they enemies but also traitors since they used to fight for Highgarden and the Tyrells. I don't think her first reactions are death and dismemberment to those who don't deserve it. S7 we saw her really only attack those in the field of fire and the walkers north of the wall. Despite the fact that she lost the Greyjoys, Tyrells, Martells, and huge losses from Eurons surprise attack at Casterly Rock and has still managed to keep her cool and not go straight for Cersei is admirable imo. ...because figuratively everyone has been almost literally holding her back from jumping on Drogon and venting her rage at those moments. Alone, she'd do it in a heartbeat. Dany had grand ideas about what a great ruler she would be before she was one, but when faced with the realities of that responsibility, she has consistently floundered and faltered. This feels like a very natural progression for a idealistic destined ruler. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:23:04 GMT -6
And that was supposed to be a powerful moment! Missandei died! Her character deserved better. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:24:55 GMT -6
She gave the Tarly's a choice and they made it. It's war, not only were they enemies but also traitors since they used to fight for Highgarden and the Tyrells. I don't think her first reactions are death and dismemberment to those who don't deserve it. S7 we saw her really only attack those in the field of fire and the walkers north of the wall. Despite the fact that she lost the Greyjoys, Tyrells, Martells, and huge losses from Eurons surprise attack at Casterly Rock and has still managed to keep her cool and not go straight for Cersei is admirable imo. ...because figuratively everyone has been almost literally holding her back from jumping on Drogon and venting her rage at those moments. Alone, she'd do it in a heartbeat. Dany had grand ideas about what a great ruler she would be before she was one, but when faced with the realities of that responsibility, she has consistently floundered and faltered. This feels like a very natural progression for a idealistic destined ruler. Clearly the writers decided a long time ago that Dany was going to go all 80s action movie and kill everyone in the end with the subtle and not so subtle moves they've made, but there are better ways to accomplish this endgame. |
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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 7:25:28 GMT -6
She gave the Tarly's a choice and they made it. It's war, not only were they enemies but also traitors since they used to fight for Highgarden and the Tyrells. I don't think her first reactions are death and dismemberment to those who don't deserve it. S7 we saw her really only attack those in the field of fire and the walkers north of the wall. Despite the fact that she lost the Greyjoys, Tyrells, Martells, and huge losses from Eurons surprise attack at Casterly Rock and has still managed to keep her cool and not go straight for Cersei is admirable imo. ...because figuratively everyone has been almost literally holding her back from jumping on Drogon and venting her rage at those moments. Alone, she'd do it in a heartbeat. Dany had grand ideas about what a great ruler she would be before she was one, but when faced with the realities of that responsibility, she has consistently floundered and faltered. This feels like a very natural progression for a idealistic destined ruler. This past episode was the first time it seemed like she actually considered it. Every other time she was in complete agreement and wanted to gain the common people's love. |
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2019 7:27:09 GMT -6
Similarly, I can't tell if was not realizing the consequences or just hubris that had Cersei throw away the sole bargaining chip that could actually cause Dany to hesistate.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:28:01 GMT -6
And we haven't even talked about the most egregious part of this episode.
Jon Snow gave away Ghost without saying goodbye with a pat on the head or neck scratch, and now I hope he dies.
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2019 7:31:49 GMT -6
Covered in blood at the start of the episode, clearly wanting to demonstrate his worth in battle to Jon, and he gets nary a glance. Tormund will treat him so much better.
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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 7:31:49 GMT -6
I audibly laughed when Daenerys appeared in the distance to meet with Cersei and she for some reason only brought with her a couple dozen soldiers, Tyrion, and a dragon that could easily be killed by any of the dozen crossbows mounted on the wall. Such a lazy way to force a story forward. I'm trying to think of an alternative that still prevents Dany from jumping on Drogon and burning them all then and there after they killed Missandei and i can't. Not saying it was a good scene at all, Cersei would have definitely killed them, but at least it prevents Dany from attacking in a rage. |
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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 7:33:03 GMT -6
And we haven't even talked about the most egregious part of this episode. Jon Snow gave away Ghost without saying goodbye with a pat on the head or neck scratch, and now I hope he dies.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 7:51:46 GMT -6
...because figuratively everyone has been almost literally holding her back from jumping on Drogon and venting her rage at those moments. Alone, she'd do it in a heartbeat. Dany had grand ideas about what a great ruler she would be before she was one, but when faced with the realities of that responsibility, she has consistently floundered and faltered. This feels like a very natural progression for a idealistic destined ruler. This past episode was the first time it seemed like she actually considered it. Every other time she was in complete agreement and wanted to gain the common people's love. she hasnt been very interested in the common people since she landed in westeros (which is partially the show's fault because they've decided to completely stop showing us the common people or anything other than cgi boats and dragons) but also lady olenna planted the seeds in her from the start of her campaign to "be a dragon." dany wanted to sack KL the minute she arrived and it would've been 1000x better and easier than anything that's happened since. i dont even consider this a #madqueen story yet. she's just understandably fucking pissed that her advisers have screwed her at every turn -- and also D&D |
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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 8:02:20 GMT -6
I really don't get where this ever since the start she wanted to burn KL idea is coming from.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 8:58:42 GMT -6
she brings it up on dragonstone in early S7. yara, olenna, and ellaria are all pro-burning and varys and tyrion are anti-burning.
she does eventually side with tyrion, to not burn her own territory and scare off the people, but it's not like she hadn't been threatening to take the throne with "fire and blood" for 6 seasons before
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 9:08:52 GMT -6
also im very on the team of whatever theory is saying GRRM has his shit done but is letting D&D fuck it up so he can announce the "real" ending and get massive hype for the last 2 books
(mostly kidding before anyone starts a real debate about that. but i do find it really funny to think about since he's signed to exec. produce like 3 other 'spinoffs' with hbo already)
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Post by claypoolfan on May 7, 2019 9:16:08 GMT -6
There's a whooooooole lot of spoilers out there for the last two eps. Be careful. I read it all and am into it tho.
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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 9:19:54 GMT -6
There's a whooooooole lot of spoilers out there for the last two eps. Be careful. I read it all and am into it tho. On the other hand i have accidentally read some and am so confused to the point i doubt they are true. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 9:23:14 GMT -6
There's a whooooooole lot of spoilers out there for the last two eps. Be careful. I read it all and am into it tho. Remarkable how bad of a job HBO is doing keeping these episodes under wraps. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 9:29:46 GMT -6
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Post by neader on May 7, 2019 9:47:25 GMT -6
Season 6 was great don't @ me
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Post by Javo on May 7, 2019 9:57:30 GMT -6
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Post by ultravisitor on May 7, 2019 11:19:25 GMT -6
I read the spoilers yesterday, and I'm still not sure if I'm mad or glad about it.
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Post by alady on May 7, 2019 11:22:19 GMT -6
Can someone link the spoilers? I've read a few theories but not sure they're spoilers per se.
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 7, 2019 11:25:27 GMT -6
I read the spoilers yesterday, and I'm still not sure if I'm mad or glad about it. where does one find the legitimate spoilers? somewhat interested.#teamalady |
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Post by wanny on May 7, 2019 11:25:37 GMT -6
Wtf is wrong with all of you haha
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Post by chvrchbarrel on May 7, 2019 11:26:27 GMT -6
Wtf is wrong with all of you haha we havent spent a hundred and forty six hours watching a lord of the rings tv show and we want to know how it finally ends i dont have time for this shit im too busy following the 1975 |
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2019 11:36:27 GMT -6
After The Mountain and The Viper, my wife went and looked up what happened to Tyrion in the books, after that point in the story, to see if it was worth staying invested for her. I really didn't get it.
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Post by ultravisitor on May 7, 2019 11:45:40 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 11:48:21 GMT -6
they really rush to get Tyrion and Dany to be buddies in the show. it takes an entire book (#5) just for them to be in the same place and then still they're not on the same team yet. a lot of Tyrion's story in the books after fleeing KL with varys iirc is just about witnessing all these factors in the east that the westerosi knew nothing about. including one or two massive plot twists that the show kinda skipped or forced onto other characters and probably for the worse.
i get that the show wants to showcase dinklage as much as possible but he's really been turned into a witless witness for the audience to occasionally laugh or feel sad for, solely a the behest of serving the Dany+Jon story
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Post by Xamnam on May 7, 2019 11:52:11 GMT -6
they really rush to get Tyrion and Dany to be buddies in the show. it takes an entire book (#5) just for them to be in the same place and then still they're not on the same team yet. a lot of Tyrion's story in the books after fleeing KL with varys iirc is just about witnessing all these factors in the east that the westerosi knew nothing about. including one or two massive plot twists that the show kinda skipped or forced onto other characters and probably for the worse. i get that the show wants to showcase dinklage as much as possible but he's really been turned into a witless witness for the audience to occasionally laugh or feel sad for, solely a the behest of serving the Dany+Jon story re: xam Right right, sure, sure, no doubt no doubt no doubt, I just meant that she wanted to know if he had a rapidly approaching death. |
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