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Post by irvred on Nov 30, 2017 8:45:12 GMT -6
you fucking people seriously dragged this argument out into today as well? c'mon i havent even had coffee yet. And yet this argument has still dragged for less time than it takes to listen to Pure Comedy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 8:57:48 GMT -6
you fucking people seriously dragged this argument out into today as well? c'mon i havent even had coffee yet. I, for one, encourage continuing an argument over subjective taste. that would be great ...if that's what we ever actually discussed  |
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Post by thebosma on Nov 30, 2017 9:00:06 GMT -6
All opinions can exist but only mine can be good
Or whatever
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 9:44:16 GMT -6
but anyway yeah as someone who really enjoys both albums, i think saying that either are boring or pretentious is kind of a meaningless argument (unless you didnt like them beforehand. then i totally get it. this is more geared towards people who liked FJM and KK's previous stuff but feel letdown by these albums) because they both are still pretty similar to their previous releases as far as tone and sound are concerned. they're definitely longer though, so i get that -- i'm having that struggle with Bjork's new one.
saying Pure Comedy sucks because it's pretentious kinda requires ignoring literally everything Josh has said and done for the past 3 or 4 years, including the past 2 albums. it's his whole thing. hence, if you didn't like him before, i totally get not liking him now. but considering how many people here loved the first 2 albums, i think hating the 3rd album is a very bizarre take. i don't think it's really that different this time around just because he turns his focus to some more social/political stuff, and yet still ties it back into his usual personal ramblings.
The Ooz is just so all over the place in sound that i could see people complaining about inconsistency, but boring also doesn't make sense to me unless you're just talking about the length. there's so much to unpack in every song that i feel like even by the end of the year i wont have given it a fair shake.
alright, more coffee. brb.
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Post by Xamnam on Nov 30, 2017 9:54:08 GMT -6
but anyway yeah as someone who really enjoys both albums, i think saying that either are boring or pretentious is kind of a meaningless argument (unless you didnt like them beforehand. then i totally get it. this is more geared towards people who liked FJM and KK's previous stuff but feel letdown by these albums) because they both are still pretty similar to their previous releases as far as tone and sound are concerned. they're definitely longer though, so i get that -- i'm having that struggle with Bjork's new one. saying Pure Comedy sucks because it's pretentious kinda requires ignoring literally everything Josh has said and done for the past 3 or 4 years, including the past 2 albums. it's his whole thing. hence, if you didn't like him before, i totally get not liking him now. but considering how many people here loved the first 2 albums, i think hating the 3rd album is a very bizarre take. i don't think it's really that different this time around just because he turns his focus to some more social/political stuff, and yet still ties it back into his usual personal ramblings. I understand the point you're making, but from my perspective, there is a staggering lack of tonal variation on Pure Comedy compared to the previous two. It feels like you could pair off most songs with one that's pretty sonically similar. And I will never apologize for saying Two Wildly Different Perspectives is high school freshman philosophy class level writing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 9:56:10 GMT -6
but anyway yeah as someone who really enjoys both albums, i think saying that either are boring or pretentious is kind of a meaningless argument (unless you didnt like them beforehand. then i totally get it. this is more geared towards people who liked FJM and KK's previous stuff but feel letdown by these albums) because they both are still pretty similar to their previous releases as far as tone and sound are concerned. they're definitely longer though, so i get that -- i'm having that struggle with Bjork's new one. saying Pure Comedy sucks because it's pretentious kinda requires ignoring literally everything Josh has said and done for the past 3 or 4 years, including the past 2 albums. it's his whole thing. hence, if you didn't like him before, i totally get not liking him now. but considering how many people here loved the first 2 albums, i think hating the 3rd album is a very bizarre take. i don't think it's really that different this time around just because he turns his focus to some more social/political stuff, and yet still ties it back into his usual personal ramblings. And I will never apologize for saying Two Wildly Different Perspectives is highschool freshman philosophy level writing. this bit i 1000% agree with but i also think Josh has said as much in interviews and regrets letting it be on the album (i dont think he's played it live at all) |
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Post by Xamnam on Nov 30, 2017 9:56:39 GMT -6
Really? Well, then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 9:59:39 GMT -6
doesnt forgive the album for having one hell of a clunker track, granted. probably the one debilitating factor that stops it from being my #1 this year.
at least it's forgivingly only like 3 minutes long.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -6
See, I enjoyed Fear Fun quite a bit. I felt his songwriting was tighter there. Honeybear was pushing the limits just a little bit more, but he still managed to pull in the reigns when needed. Pure Comedy is him letting go of the reigns and saying "fuck it, I'll do what I want." And while that's great for him, the end product shows too little restraint. I think it shows laziness on his part. I also feel that it's, as you said, very similar to his previous works which shows very minimal progression. He made the same album three times, and just made it longer each time. Fundamentally there's very little difference between the albums content wise, but the same thing over and over again, to me... that's boring. I was actually very excited for Pure Comedy after hearing Real Love Baby, which I felt was one of his best songs (and still is) to date.
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Post by Xamnam on Nov 30, 2017 10:09:22 GMT -6
doesnt forgive the album for having one hell of a clunker track, granted. probably the one debilitating factor that stops it from being my #1 this year. at least it's forgivingly only like 3 minutes long. I mean, you're also ignoring Birdie, Smoochie, and A Bigger Paper Bag. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:16:01 GMT -6
doesnt forgive the album for having one hell of a clunker track, granted. probably the one debilitating factor that stops it from being my #1 this year. at least it's forgivingly only like 3 minutes long. I mean, you're also ignoring Birdie, Smoochie, and A Bigger Paper Bag. nah i dig all 3 of those. "Bigger Paper Bag" is especially hilariously great. "Birdie" and "Smoochie" are sonically similar so i get where you guys are coming from in that regard but i'd argue there's a few of those in the first album as well. I Love You, Honeybear does a good job of avoiding that repetition. irt Tim, i think the length of "Leaving L.A." might be the biggest factor that makes Pure Comedy as a whole feel like such a care-free ramble on Tilman's part. if you snip that one out, the rest of the album sounds more restrained (I'd argue.) But that one 12 minute track with no real musical progression can kinda affect the sound of the entire album. That being said, I like the song on its own too much to argue that it should've been cut, but maybe as a bonus track or separate single would've served his purpose better. "Magic Mountain" is another long one but i love that one way too much to argue anything against its existence. |
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Post by Xamnam on Nov 30, 2017 10:22:01 GMT -6
I think where I land is, given that Honeybear and Comedy are both semi-concept albums, Honeybear is him wrestling with all of the different complicated feelings that love brought up for him, while Comedy all seems to be from the singular perspective that people are awful, which is why it wears out my welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:23:44 GMT -6
Pure Comedy is FJM circle jerking his own over-inflated ego with 70+ minutes of monotonous ballads and songs that sound like ILYHB rejects.
His schtick got irritating throughout the latter half of 2015 and all of 2016 where he did petty things to get press attention and constantly whined about everything.
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Post by teekoh on Nov 30, 2017 10:26:38 GMT -6
I think where I land is, given that Honeybear and Comedy are both semi-concept albums, Honeybear is him wrestling with all of the different complicated feelings that love brought up for him, while Comedy all seems to be from the singular perspective that people are awful, which is why it wears out my welcome. My read on Comedy is that he's more skewering contemporary hubris than commenting on an inherent human condition of awfulness. |
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Post by teekoh on Nov 30, 2017 10:27:35 GMT -6
Also, where's the block button on this thing?
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Post by andrewvb on Nov 30, 2017 10:28:50 GMT -6
maybe we should lock and restart this thread. if not... The Skinny Top 50 Albumsthis list is more in line with our tastes than most posted so far at least interesting to start their best of 2017 spotify playlist with the 13 minute song from the father john misty album that no one should listen to out of sequence. anyway, boy this is a cool list. i like how they have protomartyr in the top 10. |
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Post by mookie on Nov 30, 2017 10:29:01 GMT -6
Also, where's the block button on this thing? Click on their name, then click on the settings wheel/drop down button on the far right, and "Block Member" is one of the choices |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:33:25 GMT -6
I think where I land is, given that Honeybear and Comedy are both semi-concept albums, Honeybear is him wrestling with all of the different complicated feelings that love brought up for him, while Comedy all seems to be from the singular perspective that people are awful, which is why it wears out my welcome. My read on Comedy is that he's more skewering contemporary hubris than commenting on an inherent human condition of awfulness. i remember him commenting on this too and worrying people would see it as pure nihilism. it shouldn't really be contingent upon a listener to seek out commentary from the artist to clarify that, though. allegedly the whole album was written before any of the major political/social calamities happened last year as well, but listening to the album now can probably taint the message with current events as they are. i kinda suspect that's why he's pushing to get another new one out by next year that goes back to more introspective and loveydovey stuff. |
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Post by thebosma on Nov 30, 2017 10:35:41 GMT -6
maybe we should lock and restart this thread. if not... The Skinny Top 50 Albumsthis list is more in line with our tastes than most posted so far at least interesting to start their best of 2017 spotify playlist with the 13 minute song from the father john misty album that no one should listen to out of sequence. anyway, boy this is a cool list. i like how they have protomartyr in the top 10. Yeah it's a pretty solid list. With a lot of these I've felt like I'm looking at a lot of stuff I hadn't felt like I should care about beforehand but I was pretty pleasantly surprised by how good this one was. |
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Post by teekoh on Nov 30, 2017 10:40:17 GMT -6
Also, where's the block button on this thing? Click on their name, then click on the settings wheel/drop down button on the far right, and "Block Member" is one of the choices Found it! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:40:23 GMT -6
oh yeah i also liked that Skinny Top list.
is a new Paramore album really worth checking out? (im already taking into account that Irving will say YES)
they were fun at Riot Fest but i was mostly there for the old songs.
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Post by mookie on Nov 30, 2017 10:49:10 GMT -6
oh yeah i also liked that Skinny Top list. is a new Paramore album really worth checking out? (im already taking into account that Irving will say YES) they were fun at Riot Fest but i was mostly there for the old songs. I didn't even make it through one listen of the album, so proceed at your own risk. Sorry irv... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 10:57:08 GMT -6
alright thanks.
im definitely in it just for the singles when it comes to that band, so i dont think im gonna put it on my list to check out.
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Post by thebosma on Nov 30, 2017 11:16:49 GMT -6
I enjoyed the new Paramore a lot more than I thought I would. I had a long car ride to listen to it so it was nice.
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Post by neader on Nov 30, 2017 11:59:01 GMT -6
Pure Comedy is FJM circle jerking his own over-inflated ego with 70+ minutes of monotonous ballads and songs that sound like ILYHB rejects. His schtick got irritating throughout the latter half of 2015 and all of 2016 where he did petty things to get press attention and constantly whined about everything. This guy has to be anime |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 12:03:28 GMT -6
nah, anime actually attended circle jerks for FJM.
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Post by sthubbins on Dec 4, 2017 9:59:01 GMT -6
man I don't know anything about like half those artists
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Post by Xamnam on Dec 4, 2017 14:05:52 GMT -6
John Darnielle:
1. Rebel Wizard, Triumph of Gloom
2. Mastercastle, Wine of Heaven
3. Lunatii, Elimino
4. Au Champ du Morts, Dans le Joie
5. Harriet Tubman, Araminta
6. Battle Dagorath, II - Frozen Light of Eternal Darkness
7. With the Dead, Love from With the Dead
8. Vince Staples, Big Fish Theory
9. Kendrick Lamar, DAMN.
10. Paradise Lost, Medusa
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