"Tell him, Wash." "It's incredibly hard." (MLB 2020)

[facts]

Osuna outburst guy loses his 10 Club presale code

[Xamnam]

Jan 13, 2020 13:10:36 GMT -6 facts said:

That actually was way more severe than I would have thought. It's not like they can vacate the title. Losing two straight years of first 2 picks is pretty crippling.

A year's suspension seems extraordinary light for a coach who knew what was happening and "disapproved" but did not stop it. 


for context: 

[facts]

I'm not saying that its severe in the sense of what's deserved, just that MLB suspensions are usually pretty toothless and the draft pick hit here is strong.

Suspending Hinch longer doesn't really matter too much to me because I think hes kind of a shitty manager who can only win by people banging on trash cans.

[Pale Hose]

That's actually a pretty harsh penalty.

Edit: Relative to what I was expecting. 

[Xamnam]

Also, the decision to issue no penalty to the players really upsets me, even though I know how much trickier that would be to level appropriately.

[Xamnam]

On the other hand, the report very directly and negatively calls out the Astro's culture, way more than I'd expect. Still don't know that this is enough of a deterrent.

[fivehole]

Jan 13, 2020 13:14:16 GMT -6 Xamnam said:

Jan 13, 2020 13:10:36 GMT -6 facts said:

That actually was way more severe than I would have thought. It's not like they can vacate the title. Losing two straight years of first 2 picks is pretty crippling.

A year's suspension seems extraordinary light for a coach who knew what was happening and "disapproved" but did not stop it. 


for context: 

The reads like the "lack of institutional control" that leads to the death penalty in the NCAA.

[Deleted]

I'd assume Cora will get a longer suspension since he was involved with both teams at the time they stole signs and the Red Sox will incur more of a penalty since they were already caught once. But hell, it's the Red Sox, so maybe just a slap on the wrist.

[clouddead]

I saw something earlier that a very harsh Cora punishment is coming

[Tweet]

Jan 13, 2020 13:41:43 GMT -6 clouddead said:

I saw something earlier that a very harsh Cora punishment is coming

Same. Harsher than the 'Stros one is the real question

[clouddead]

Luhnow and Hinch both fired

[Xamnam]

See, now that's what I'm looking for.

[Pale Hose]

That's what's up.

[dij22]

Absolute joke that Hinch or Luhnow didn't get a lifetime ban.

[Pale Hose]

They don't have jobs and are suspended for a year. Nobody is hiring either anytime soon, if ever again.

[Xamnam]

I 100% buy the conspiracy that punishment was based on Crane agreeing beforehand to fire them, so he can walk out looking principled.

[dij22]

Jan 13, 2020 14:34:02 GMT -6 Pale Hose said:

They don't have jobs and are suspended for a year. Nobody is hiring either anytime soon, if ever again.

They would have been fired and out of a job for a year regardless.  They will work in baseball again.

Adam Silver correctly banned Donald Sterling for life so there's recent precedent of a commissioner handing down real punishments.

[fancypants]

If you read the commissioners statement neither Hinch or Luhnow were the brains behind the operation. They just simply didn't put a stop to it and are getting the punishment they deserve in my opinion.

From the report, it was Cora who was really the one behind everything and whose punishment should be more severe.

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I think Cora might get a good old banhammer.

[andrewvb]

Jan 13, 2020 14:45:13 GMT -6 fancypants said:

If you read the commissioners statement neither Hinch or Luhnow were the brains behind the operation. They just simply didn't put a stop to it and are getting the punishment they deserve in my opinion.

From the report, it was Cora who was really the one behind everything and whose punishment should be more severe.

lunhow "adamantly denying" any knowledge tells me he knew more than he said. the statement comes down hard on the baseball operations department as a whole too.

[dij22]

Jan 13, 2020 14:45:13 GMT -6 fancypants said:

 They just simply didn't put a stop to it

Equally bad

[andrewvb]

the fucked up thing also seems to be that its referred to as a player-driven scheme. are the players not going to get punished at all?

[Deleted]

I love Hinch going so far as to destroy/damage equipment but then just throwing up his hands and trying to look the other way. Leadership!

[Xamnam]

Jan 13, 2020 14:53:05 GMT -6 scoots said:

I love Hinch going so far as to destroy/damage equipment but then just throwing up his hands and trying to look the other way. Leadership!

Yeah, if you're not going to go after the players, he absolutely bears the responsibility, and what he did is so passive as to essentially say it's fine. I don't see how that behavior merited only a year off initially. 

[facts]

The PR team for the Osuna outburst guy are probably going to float an "I was aware of this but strongly opposed!" trial balloon as part of his character rehabilitation tour.

[Deleted]

RE: the players receiving no punishment -

“Assessing discipline of players for this type of conduct is both difficult and impractical,” Manfred wrote. “It is difficult because virtually all of the Astros’ players had some involvement or knowledge of the scheme, and I am not in a position based on the investigative record to determine with any degree of certainty every player who should be held accountable, or their relative degree of culpability. It is impractical given the large number of players involved, and the fact that many of those players now play for other Clubs.”

[dij22]

Jan 13, 2020 15:08:00 GMT -6 scoots said:

RE: the players receiving no punishment -

“Assessing discipline of players for this type of conduct is both difficult and impractical,” Manfred wrote. “It is difficult because virtually all of the Astros’ players had some involvement or knowledge of the scheme, and I am not in a position based on the investigative record to determine with any degree of certainty every player who should be held accountable, or their relative degree of culpability. It is impractical given the large number of players involved, and the fact that many of those players now play for other Clubs.”

Unreal

[Deleted]

Jan 13, 2020 15:08:00 GMT -6 scoots said:

RE: the players receiving no punishment -

“Assessing discipline of players for this type of conduct is both difficult and impractical,” Manfred wrote. “It is difficult because virtually all of the Astros’ players had some involvement or knowledge of the scheme, and I am not in a position based on the investigative record to determine with any degree of certainty every player who should be held accountable, or their relative degree of culpability. It is impractical given the large number of players involved, and the fact that many of those players now play for other Clubs.”

See also, Union. Any player discipline would have been vigorously challenged and, I am willing to bet, largely successfully. Besides with the Basic Agreement ending soon a dispute like this with the players’ union is the last thing Manfred should want.

[monasterymonochrome]

Idk about y'all but I look forward to vigorously booing Bregman / Altuve / Springer / Correa / etc. at any and all occasions for the rest of their careers.

I understand why suspending individual players isn't feasible, but fuuuck they deserve it. I'm personally still in favor of vacating the title, even though that carries little practical effect, just so the players are punished in some capacity by the league.

[andrewvb]