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Post by alady on May 23, 2019 16:19:28 GMT -6
Totally did not realize there was a Bran *and* a Bronn.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 16:24:16 GMT -6
Raisin Bronn
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Post by jimmyrecard on May 24, 2019 5:12:49 GMT -6
In response to Jimmy's comments... There's no reason to think Bronn or anyone left in charge is going to be "good", except maybe the maester.
Also, the Starks were well-loved by most of the realm at the start. They then gradually became victimized throughout the series. Out of all the remaining factions, the Starks were probably the most (potentially) benevolent at the end. Not to mention, Brann is obviously not keen on actually ruling. That falls to Tyrion. Tyrion made a lot of bad decisions throughout various conflicts, but ultimately turned on his family who were widely hated/feared and at least intended on bringing about peace for everyone. He is the least likely to violently subjugate any peoples.
But none of this actually makes sense in the context of the show and the character motivations. I'm ok with Sam being the maester. But why wouldn't Davos be master of coins, he has shown he is an honorable man and also ran an (admittedly dishonorable) business, but he clearly is a character of strong ethics? Or ANYONE other than the guy who has a history of being paid off and bribed to do literally anything, including kill his friends. Bronn is literally the LAST person to be in that role. Hell he should be in prison for threatening to kill Tyrion (among many other things he should be in prison for).
The Starks being the most benevolent is irrelevant. This entire show is based on different families feeling they have a right to rule the kingdoms, and doing everything they can to do that. If any of the other families wanted to rule they easily could because the Starks have pretty much no army. The other families have mostly been pretty quick to turn on them during the series, why not now? Because Tyrion, a prisoner from the most hated family, who has also turned out to be an awful advisor (blame D&D for that) said so? Also when did he 'turn on his family'? When he gave Cersei a billion chances to do the honorable thing despite an abundance of evidence that she wouldn't? When he freed Jaime to let him go and rescue her? He never turned on his family...everything he did for the last 2 seasons was try to protect them.
Bran literally said an episode ago that he didn't want to rule Winterfell and that he wasn't a ruler, so now that he is offered to rule somewhere else he's ok with it? Was his entire ploy to be the king of Westeros? If so, that is never even alluded to anywhere else in the show...it makes no sense that his character would do that.
And what about Sansa just declaring independence? The Iron Islands have been fighting for independence forever...but Yara doesn't even batter an eyelid? Honestly that entire scene and 'resolution' is infuriating. And none of the other Lords batter an eyelid either?
If any of this was intelligently written I could probably get behind it, but the whole season has just been forcing an ending because D&D clearly want to get onto Star Wars. None of the characters motivations make sense this season, the ending makes no sense, the story makes no sense, and everyone just started acting stupid for the last 6 episodes. |
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Post by Pale Hose on May 27, 2019 10:49:40 GMT -6
We watched the HBO doc that aired last night. For anyone who watched the show I think you'll find it at least mildly interesting. They really were filming movies as a TV show at the end. I can't imagine what that cost.
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Post by llamaoftime on Aug 1, 2019 15:23:45 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 15:56:41 GMT -6
We look over Jon’s shoulder as the fire sweeps toward the throne— not the target of Drogon’s wrath, just a dumb bystander caught up in the conflagration.
if this doesnt just sum up the whole season...
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Post by neader on Aug 1, 2019 16:04:44 GMT -6
EmMy NoMiNaTeD
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Post by Xamnam on Aug 1, 2019 16:19:21 GMT -6
We look over Jon’s shoulder as the fire sweeps toward the throne— not the target of Drogon’s wrath, just a dumb bystander caught up in the conflagration.if this doesnt just sum up the whole season... Oh man, it's almost like the reasonable and nonhyperbolic explanation I had for that scene was right all along. |
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Post by Pale Hose on Oct 29, 2019 16:48:41 GMT -6
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Post by concertgoer on Oct 29, 2019 17:10:58 GMT -6
Wow must have been a terrible pilot or HBO is going all in on the Targaryen prequel.
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Post by Pale Hose on Oct 29, 2019 17:19:08 GMT -6
Wow must have been a terrible pilot or HBO is going all in on the Targaryen prequel. They had invested significant money, so I assume it was dogshit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 17:55:55 GMT -6
Wait... one of two planned series was scrapped? I only knew of the Targaryen thing.
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Post by Pale Hose on Oct 29, 2019 18:00:38 GMT -6
Wait... one of two planned series was scrapped? I only knew of the Targaryen thing. This one was further along, it was going to be about The Long Night. It was starring Naomi Watts and they had already filmed tht pilot apparently. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 18:17:36 GMT -6
i read there were 4 GoT spinoffs that had the greenlight. (prior to this one getting cancelled)
also D&D got booted from their Star Wars series today so you can imagine how haters of Season 8 reacted to that.
edit: apparently they backed out of their contract with disney and got a better one with netflix to do an original series.
...okay.
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Post by Pale Hose on Oct 30, 2019 5:01:16 GMT -6
HBO has purposely been tight lipped, but I think there were talks of up to four different spinoffs, including the Long Night which was just killed. I don't think they intended to greenlight them all.
They also officially announced the Targaryen spinoff yesterday, which will be titled House of the Dragon.
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Post by concertgoer on Oct 30, 2019 7:25:12 GMT -6
It’s a bummer about The Long Night because that story sounded more interesting than the Taragaryen civil war.
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Post by concertgoer on Oct 30, 2019 7:30:42 GMT -6
Miguel Sapochnik as showrunner is a promising start though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 7:39:30 GMT -6
i read there were 4 GoT spinoffs that had the greenlight. (prior to this one getting cancelled) also D&D got booted from their Star Wars series today so you can imagine how haters of Season 8 reacted to that. edit: apparently they backed out of their contract with disney and got a better one with netflix to do an original series. ...okay. It's like a $250 million contract, because apparently Netflix is just printing money now. |
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Post by neader on Sept 12, 2022 8:26:00 GMT -6
Figured just resurrect this
Last night's episode felt more here's sex than usual
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Post by wanny on Sept 12, 2022 8:37:21 GMT -6
Ya but the sex kinda had a point this time
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Post by krentist on Sept 12, 2022 8:51:40 GMT -6
Figured just resurrect this Last night's episode felt more here's sex than usual This guy hates sex |
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Post by scoots on Sept 12, 2022 8:54:19 GMT -6
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Post by neader on Oct 23, 2022 22:27:54 GMT -6
Great finale
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Post by neader on Mar 21, 2024 12:18:20 GMT -6
Season 2 House of the Dragon 6/16
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Post by neader on Jun 17, 2024 5:00:36 GMT -6
S2 opener was decent. Really like how they made Aegon a man of the people. They totally botched B&C/the ending though. Much more brutal in the book, dialogue below. For context instead of them sneaking into Helaena's room, in the book they go to Alicent's room because they know Helaena and the children visit Alicent before bedtime. Helaena and Aegon also have a third younger boy, named Maegor.
>”Once inside, Cheese bound and gagged the Dowager Queen whist Blood strangled her bedmaid. Then they settled down to wait, for they knew it was the custom of Queen Helaena to bring her children to see their grandmother every evening before bed.”
>”Blind to her danger, the queen appeared as dusk was settling over the castle, accompanied by her three children. Jaehaerys and Jaehaera were six, Maelor two. As they entered the apartments, Helaena was holding his little hand and calling out her mother’s name. Blood barred the door and slew the queen’s guardsman, whilst Cheese appeared to snatch up Maelor.”
>”Scream and you all die,” Blood told Her Grace. Queen Helaena kept her calm, it is said. “Who are you?” She demanded of the two. “Debt collectors,” said Cheese. “An eye for an eye, a son for a son. We only want the one, t’square things. Won’t hurt the rest o’ you fine folks, not one lil’ hair. Which one you want t’lose, Your Grace?”
>”Once she realized what he meant, Queen Helaena pleaded with the men to kill her instead. “A wife’s not a son,” said Blood. “It has to be a boy.” Cheese warned the queen to make a choice soon, before Blood grew bored and raped her little girl. “Pick,” he said, “or we kill them all.” On her knees, weeping, Helaena named her youngest, Maelor. Perhaps she thought the boy was too young to understand, or perhaps it was because the older boy, Jaehaerys, was King Aegon’s firstborn son and heir, next in line to the Iron Throne. “You hear that, little boy?” Cheese whispered to Maelor. “Your momma wants you dead.” Then he gave Blood a grin, and the hulking swordsman slew Prince Jaehaerys, striking off the boy’s head with a single blow. The queen began to scream.”
*Fire & Blood* by George R.R. Martin pages 424-425 |
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Post by Pale Hose on Jun 17, 2024 7:15:35 GMT -6
S2 opener was decent. Really like how they made Aegon a man of the people. They totally botched B&C/the ending though. Much more brutal in the book, dialogue below. For context instead of them sneaking into Helaena's room, in the book they go to Alicent's room because they know Helaena and the children visit Alicent before bedtime. Helaena and Aegon also have a third younger boy, named Maegor.
>”Once inside, Cheese bound and gagged the Dowager Queen whist Blood strangled her bedmaid. Then they settled down to wait, for they knew it was the custom of Queen Helaena to bring her children to see their grandmother every evening before bed.”
>”Blind to her danger, the queen appeared as dusk was settling over the castle, accompanied by her three children. Jaehaerys and Jaehaera were six, Maelor two. As they entered the apartments, Helaena was holding his little hand and calling out her mother’s name. Blood barred the door and slew the queen’s guardsman, whilst Cheese appeared to snatch up Maelor.”
>”Scream and you all die,” Blood told Her Grace. Queen Helaena kept her calm, it is said. “Who are you?” She demanded of the two. “Debt collectors,” said Cheese. “An eye for an eye, a son for a son. We only want the one, t’square things. Won’t hurt the rest o’ you fine folks, not one lil’ hair. Which one you want t’lose, Your Grace?”
>”Once she realized what he meant, Queen Helaena pleaded with the men to kill her instead. “A wife’s not a son,” said Blood. “It has to be a boy.” Cheese warned the queen to make a choice soon, before Blood grew bored and raped her little girl. “Pick,” he said, “or we kill them all.” On her knees, weeping, Helaena named her youngest, Maelor. Perhaps she thought the boy was too young to understand, or perhaps it was because the older boy, Jaehaerys, was King Aegon’s firstborn son and heir, next in line to the Iron Throne. “You hear that, little boy?” Cheese whispered to Maelor. “Your momma wants you dead.” Then he gave Blood a grin, and the hulking swordsman slew Prince Jaehaerys, striking off the boy’s head with a single blow. The queen began to scream.”
*Fire & Blood* by George R.R. Martin pages 424-425 I think that was intentional. I don't think they wanted to show the book version on TV. They regularly toned down book material during GoT as well (Ramsay/Sansa's wedding night for example). |
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Post by neader on Jun 17, 2024 9:53:08 GMT -6
S2 opener was decent. Really like how they made Aegon a man of the people. They totally botched B&C/the ending though. Much more brutal in the book, dialogue below. For context instead of them sneaking into Helaena's room, in the book they go to Alicent's room because they know Helaena and the children visit Alicent before bedtime. Helaena and Aegon also have a third younger boy, named Maegor.
>”Once inside, Cheese bound and gagged the Dowager Queen whist Blood strangled her bedmaid. Then they settled down to wait, for they knew it was the custom of Queen Helaena to bring her children to see their grandmother every evening before bed.”
>”Blind to her danger, the queen appeared as dusk was settling over the castle, accompanied by her three children. Jaehaerys and Jaehaera were six, Maelor two. As they entered the apartments, Helaena was holding his little hand and calling out her mother’s name. Blood barred the door and slew the queen’s guardsman, whilst Cheese appeared to snatch up Maelor.”
>”Scream and you all die,” Blood told Her Grace. Queen Helaena kept her calm, it is said. “Who are you?” She demanded of the two. “Debt collectors,” said Cheese. “An eye for an eye, a son for a son. We only want the one, t’square things. Won’t hurt the rest o’ you fine folks, not one lil’ hair. Which one you want t’lose, Your Grace?”
>”Once she realized what he meant, Queen Helaena pleaded with the men to kill her instead. “A wife’s not a son,” said Blood. “It has to be a boy.” Cheese warned the queen to make a choice soon, before Blood grew bored and raped her little girl. “Pick,” he said, “or we kill them all.” On her knees, weeping, Helaena named her youngest, Maelor. Perhaps she thought the boy was too young to understand, or perhaps it was because the older boy, Jaehaerys, was King Aegon’s firstborn son and heir, next in line to the Iron Throne. “You hear that, little boy?” Cheese whispered to Maelor. “Your momma wants you dead.” Then he gave Blood a grin, and the hulking swordsman slew Prince Jaehaerys, striking off the boy’s head with a single blow. The queen began to scream.”
*Fire & Blood* by George R.R. Martin pages 424-425 I think that was intentional. I don't think they wanted to show the book version on TV. They regularly toned down book material during GoT as well (Ramsay/Sansa's wedding night for example). Eh Ramsay married a different woman in the books so not a 1:1 comparison. The red wedding for the show actually added the bit with Robb's wife being there and getting stabbed in the stomach while pregnant so they've gone more extreme in some cases as well. Has less to do with the violence and more of the psychological torture of making it more of a Sophie's choice, telling Maegor that "your mommy wants you dead", Helaena in the books actually gives Maegar to Alicent to raise because she feels so guilty she can't even look at him, and Alicent being a witness to it happening. These could have all been changed and it wouldn't have been more violent. |
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Post by doso on Jun 17, 2024 10:08:46 GMT -6
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Post by neader on Jul 7, 2024 20:07:12 GMT -6
Listened to the audiobook earlier this year and tonight's episode was one of the ones I was really looking forward to. Very happy with it, so good.
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Post by Pale Hose on Jul 7, 2024 21:05:40 GMT -6
I know it's not rational, but I don't feel a thing no matter how many people are killed on this show. But something about seeing a dragon die on screen gets me right in the feels every time.
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