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Post by rango420 on Apr 30, 2018 10:43:53 GMT -6
you guyds are dumb
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Post by irvred on Apr 30, 2018 10:56:46 GMT -6
- They literally show you Kilmonger from childhood and how his heritage abandoned him to a cultural hellscape.
- Ego is such a terrific MRA-rep and the perfect villain for what GotG should be
- Hela was born for the sole purpose of killing and was discarded when Odin had a change of heart. She's basically Loki on hammy steroids.
- Vulture is low-key incredible, a working-class villain with super tangible and grounded motives.
Thanos should've had some actual backstory teased throughout the earlier stingers, but instead over 10 years they've only shown him smirking menacingly. I think there is an interesting contrast between the convictions of the Avengers and Thanos - our heroes being scattered and consistently unsure, while Thanos is hyperfocused and absolutely positive he is doing the just thing - but we don't explore that. We get kind of limp hints at a better backstory but I really think this movie has way too much going on to fully flesh out Thanos.
Thanos and his Order do get cool fights so I'm not complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 11:11:20 GMT -6
I think he was fleshed out just fine. Those villains are great, but they have a typical sameness to them. Hela/Ego/Loki are just bitter/vengeful siblings of the main character (Gamora is adopted and far from the main character). Killmonger follows the long line of Marvel one-dimensional villains by being just a mirror of the protagonist like YellowJacket from Ant-Man, and the Iron Monger from Iron Man.
Thanos is far less predictable in that sense. This iteration is far more accurate to the source material too, which they fucked up (but ended up better) with Loki. It's not easy translating these to film, look at Apocalypse. Totally fucked that guy up. They take liberties with these characters and that's fine. Hela wasn't Thor's sister, she was Loki's daughter. I have no qualms with their take on Vulture b/c he was boring in the comics but Keaton did a great job. I like all of these villains, but they didn't always translate well to the screen.
But they got Thanos right, removing only his obsession with Death, but they kept the rest. Some villains don't need a tremendous backstory to be relevant. The Joker didn't in the Dark Knight. You only got a 2 minute backstory on Magneto in the first X-Men.
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Post by irvred on Apr 30, 2018 11:24:22 GMT -6
YellowJacket sucks but I will defend Iron Monger and of course Kilmonger. I don't think having a mirror-villain immediately makes them one-dimensional. In theory they are perfect for an origin story because it helps prove the hero is characterized by the choices they make and not their power-set. It shows they can rise above their own one-dimensionality.
I would argue Thanos comes off as more one-dimensional; he's a big dude who is good at killing shit and wants to kill shit. Cap says 'We don't trade lives' or something and I think there's a good contrast there with Thanos who believes trading lives is a necessity. But for the most part he's a tank and it is awesome to watch him tank shit but he doesn't have the gravitas of a Magneto - who, true, doesn't get paragraphs of backstory, but his interactions with Xavier convey a greater relationship than anything Thanos does.
Also we DO get a reference to him courting Death way back in Avengers 1 and I get that it is 10 years removed but still.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:06:56 GMT -6
Also we DO get a reference to him courting Death way back in Avengers 1 and I get that it is 10 years removed but still. refresher plz. |
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Post by irvred on Apr 30, 2018 12:12:42 GMT -6
The A1 stinger has one of Thanos' men informing him that to fight the Avengers would be 'to court Death itself,' and then Thanos just grins.
It is a cool tease to establish him but in hindsight contributes nothing.
(Also in hindsight it makes no sense Thanos lends Loki the Tesseract and a Chitauri army instead of leading it himself or at least giving it to Ebony Maw or someone. But hey I get that these movies are a decade removed from each other.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:12:51 GMT -6
Yeah I don't remember that at all, and I just recently watched it again.
that's not what I meant. In the comics his sole reason for wiping out half the population was to impress Death. They dropped that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:16:28 GMT -6
oh i do remember that quote and for a second i was like "oh" but yeah i figured the decade difference in storylines means that the original quote meant nothing at the time and Whedon just thought it sounded good.
i do think the Death tie in a possibility but not because of that.
also i think the idea is that Loki sought out the Chitauri after falling from Asgard and probably begged Thanos for the army. Thanos clearly has unlimited resources and figured why not let this dumb fuck try first. Loki also acquired the Tesseract (seemingly for his own) and therefore eventually made it easier for Thanos to find so it's a win for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:17:14 GMT -6
that's not what I meant. In the comics his sole reason for wiping out half the population was to impress Death. They dropped that. as far as we know. i wouldnt be entirely shocked if she appears in A4 and there's something of a twist that expands Thanos' real motivations behind it all. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:21:21 GMT -6
Christ I hope not. That would ruin the what they did in the first film.
I think/hope that they are smarter than that. To introduce Death now would be silly, especially since they just used Hela last year. Furthermore, Part II (I'd assume) will focus on the aftermath/tracking him down/more backstory.
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Post by rango420 on Apr 30, 2018 12:24:39 GMT -6
Every marvel villain was pretty awful until Kurt Russell and than with the exception of extremely underdeveloping Cate Blanchette ( who otherwise was great) they've been on a great streak of villains and Thanos was such a colossal step backwards to big characterless CGI think who's only goal is destruction for no real reason
Ben Kingsley was great but he wasn't the villain at the end
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:29:42 GMT -6
Christ I hope not. That would ruin the what they did in the first film. I think/hope that they are smarter than that. To introduce Death now would be silly, especially since they just used Hela last year. Furthermore, Part II (I'd assume) will focus on the aftermath/tracking him down/more backstory. the problem right now is tracking him down doesnt achieve anything because he can still blip people out of existence. you pretty much have undo the timeline or find someone equally powerful (death, galactus, squirrel girl lol) and convince them to stop him. i guess we'll really get a better idea once Antman/Wasp and Captain Marvel establish which way they're going with this, since at least Antman is supposed to take place at around the same time and would be either parallel to the events of IW or at least an immediate follow-up. Marvel, i think, is gonna be mostly set further back in the past -- 1991 i think they said -- so it may not give us any immediate hints. |
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Post by rango420 on Apr 30, 2018 12:32:52 GMT -6
I don't get why they are putting this out next june instead of in December is there another fucking star wars movie coming out already
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Post by irvred on Apr 30, 2018 12:36:54 GMT -6
Solo comes out in like three weeks.
Ant Man & the Wasp is out in July I believe?
Captain Marvel in March 2019.
So the answer is basicallty to guarantee Disney dominates the box office year-round.
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Post by claypoolfan on Apr 30, 2018 12:58:01 GMT -6
I don't get why they are putting this out next june instead of in December is there another fucking star wars movie coming out already Episode IX comes out next December, yeah. EDIT: Oh you meant THIS December. I'm a moran. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 12:59:36 GMT -6
id say it's weird that they pushed up Solo to next month rather than Xmas time like the other 3 Star Wars movies but they probably know it's poop and are gonna try to bury it under the success of Avengers.
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Post by rango420 on Apr 30, 2018 13:09:19 GMT -6
it seems like you'd want to put out the 2nd half of this thing when Avengers is coming out on DVD and before a completely unmentioned character's first film opens but what do i know
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Post by goodson on Apr 30, 2018 13:10:44 GMT -6
i guess ant-man is gonna be super prominent in the next one??
and they prob want to explain who tf captain marvel is before she gets a huge role in avengers also
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Post by irvred on Apr 30, 2018 13:13:47 GMT -6
Yeah someone correct me if I'm wrong but Captain Marvel isn't like a super well-known hero... I get that they were attempting to hype her movie up but the Infinity War stinger with her symbol reveal was kind of an anti-climax.
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Post by concertgoer on Apr 30, 2018 13:14:29 GMT -6
I assume Hawkeye will be back in the next Avengers movie as well.
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Post by rango420 on Apr 30, 2018 13:15:19 GMT -6
i guess ant-man is gonna be super prominent in the next one?? and they prob want to explain who tf captain marvel is before she gets a huge role in avengers also Unless she plays a role in Ant-Man 2 more Ant Man they are going to release that movie with one tie in to a Agents of Shield episode seems like a bad strategy. Like on top of having Coogler/MBJ at the helm people were aware of who Black Panther was because Civil War spent like 20 minutes giving you an intro to the character |
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Post by rango420 on Apr 30, 2018 13:16:38 GMT -6
Yeah someone correct me if I'm wrong but Captain Marvel isn't like a super well-known hero... I get that they were attempting to hype her movie up but the Infinity War stinger with her symbol reveal was kind of an anti-climax. yeah i had no idea what that meant and neither did my gf who is somewhat into teh super hero stuff and we had to google. Full house on a a sunday night showing had a big reaction for HIMYM lady and Sam Jackson and no reaction to the reveal |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 13:18:41 GMT -6
Yeah someone correct me if I'm wrong but Captain Marvel isn't like a super well-known hero... I get that they were attempting to hype her movie up but the Infinity War stinger with her symbol reveal was kind of an anti-climax. she's definitely not, although it has more hype behind it than you'd expect just because of the Comicon buzz and the reveal of Brie Larson a year or two ago. the stinger was great for nerds but it's hard to get people unfamiliar with her excited or explain to kids that it's someone who might be able to fix the whole thing. that being said it's weird that we don't have a trailer for CM yet and i suspect it's because the trailer will tie it into Avengers and be VERY spoilery for people who haven't seen it yet so they're gonna drop it once everyone has seen Infinity War and feels left hanging. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 13:19:52 GMT -6
I assume Hawkeye will be back in the next Avengers movie as well. Black Widow mentions that Hawkeye is with Ant Man during the events of Infinity War so as long as they didn't get vaporized, i'd assume that Hawkeye will play a part in Ant Man and they will both tie into A4. (they both also have stories that revolve around their families, some of whom likely got vaporized) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 13:26:41 GMT -6
The only real reason for anyone to know any Captain Marvel from Marvel (there's a DC one too) is b/c of the original character's death. Mar-Vell is up there with Uncle Ben and Batman's parents - he stays dead. Jude Law is cast as Mar-Vell so I'm guessing he'll pass along something to Danvers about Thanos, or.. maybe Thanos is gonna be in the Captain Marvell movie?
There's a trailer coming tomorrow for Ant-Man and Wasp so we'll have answers to what role that will play in all of this, but there's a funny commercial for it featuring the cast of IW with reference to why Antman, Wasp, and Hawkeye weren't in IW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 14:10:02 GMT -6
Yeah someone correct me if I'm wrong but Captain Marvel isn't like a super well-known hero... I get that they were attempting to hype her movie up but the Infinity War stinger with her symbol reveal was kind of an anti-climax. she's definitely not, although it has more hype behind it than you'd expect just because of the Comicon buzz and the reveal of Brie Larson a year or two ago. the stinger was great for nerds but it's hard to get people unfamiliar with her excited or explain to kids that it's someone who might be able to fix the whole thing. that being said it's weird that we don't have a trailer for CM yet and i suspect it's because the trailer will tie it into Avengers and be VERY spoilery for people who haven't seen it yet so they're gonna drop it once everyone has seen Infinity War and feels left hanging. Not weird at all. 1) it's taking place in the 90s, explaining her character. 2) SDCC isn't until July and every trailer premiere is at that damn thing these days. |
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Post by Javo on Apr 30, 2018 17:12:12 GMT -6
I assume Hawkeye will be back in the next Avengers movie as well. Probably as Ronin |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 23:09:20 GMT -6
I had absolutely no issues with the movie except for the fact that the AC was fucked up in the theater and all the tension had me practically soaked with sweat by the end of the movie.
Easily the best MCU movie, villain and just general content, imo (without ruining it with subsequent watches).
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Post by Javo on May 1, 2018 9:59:44 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 10:30:12 GMT -6
new ant man trailer makes me think it's pre infinty war or parallel timeline.
because, ya know, there's like, people.
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