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Post by monasterymonochrome on Dec 29, 2020 9:31:27 GMT -6
Amazing that the Padres seem to be the only team (maybe the Cohen Mets too? We’ll see) exploiting this moment where nearly every team is shedding salary and staying out of the FA market.
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 29, 2020 9:34:45 GMT -6
I don't think that contract was that palatable this off-season, and there's only a handful of teams that are actually willing to spend. Darvish did a lot to boost has value last year but on the whole he has still underperformed that deal so far, I think many teams were weary of that. You have to assume the Cubs took the best deal there was right?
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 29, 2020 9:37:48 GMT -6
Amazing that the Padres seem to be the only team (maybe the Cohen Mets too? We’ll see) exploiting this moment where nearly every team is shedding salary and staying out of the FA market. There's a couple more teams (Blue Jays, Red Sox, maybe the White Sox) that are signaling they are willing to spend money this off-season. But yes, the vast majority of these owners are crying poor after a season without fans in the stands. I'm guessing there's enough money for the guys at the very top (Bauer, JTR, Springer) to get paid but after that we'll see a lot of modest 1 or 2 year deals signed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 9:48:00 GMT -6
I don't think that contract was that palatable this off-season, and there's only a handful of teams that are actually willing to spend. Darvish did a lot to boost has value last year but on the whole he has still underperformed that deal so far, I think many teams were weary of that. You have to assume the Cubs took the best deal there was right? It certainly looks like a ton of teams are dragging their feet waiting for the first domino to fall and the Padres are taking advantage. I think the Cubs probably could have benefitted from being patient, or maybe they were just looking for quantity of prospects and wanted him off the books. Ricketts, Reinsdorf and all of these other owners crying poor continues to be a very bad look for baseball. And the only year Darvish underperformed was 2018 when he was injured. He's arguably been the best pitcher in the NL since the midpoint of the 2019 season. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 9:50:53 GMT -6
Good for the Padres for taking advantage of these assholes, though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 9:54:18 GMT -6
Also lol Rockies. They're going to lose 120 games in that division next season.
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 29, 2020 9:58:49 GMT -6
I don't think that contract was that palatable this off-season, and there's only a handful of teams that are actually willing to spend. Darvish did a lot to boost has value last year but on the whole he has still underperformed that deal so far, I think many teams were weary of that. You have to assume the Cubs took the best deal there was right? It certainly looks like a ton of teams are dragging their feet waiting for the first domino to fall and the Padres are taking advantage. I think the Cubs probably could have benefitted from being patient, or maybe they were just looking for quantity of prospects and wanted him off the books. Ricketts, Reinsdorf and all of these other owners crying poor continues to be a very bad look for baseball. And the only year Darvish underperformed was 2018 when he was injured. He's arguably been the best pitcher in the NL since the midpoint of the 2019 season. His first half of 2019 was terrible, so combined with a strong second half he had a decent year - I don't think you can argue that was worth over $20M. He was great last year in a small sample size, but clearly the market discounted the short season. There's really no argument here, if there was a better deal out there for Yu the Cubs would have taken it. There's certainly no reason to believe that if the Cubs had waited they could have gotten a better deal, there's only a few teams who would have been willing to absorb a contract like that at all this off-season. |
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Dec 29, 2020 10:46:20 GMT -6
Good for the Padres for taking advantage of these assholes, though. Yea the Dads are def gonna be my 2020 NL team. And on the note of cheap-ass owners, I expect the Cleveland BT to run around a $40mm payroll this year. Beyond frustrating. |
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Post by dij22 on Dec 29, 2020 11:03:21 GMT -6
It certainly looks like a ton of teams are dragging their feet waiting for the first domino to fall and the Padres are taking advantage. I think the Cubs probably could have benefitted from being patient, or maybe they were just looking for quantity of prospects and wanted him off the books. Ricketts, Reinsdorf and all of these other owners crying poor continues to be a very bad look for baseball. And the only year Darvish underperformed was 2018 when he was injured. He's arguably been the best pitcher in the NL since the midpoint of the 2019 season. His first half of 2019 was terrible, so combined with a strong second half he had a decent year - I don't think you can argue that was worth over $20M. He was great last year in a small sample size, but clearly the market discounted the short season. There's really no argument here, if there was a better deal out there for Yu the Cubs would have taken it. There's certainly no reason to believe that if the Cubs had waited they could have gotten a better deal, there's only a few teams who would have been willing to absorb a contract like that at all this off-season. It depends on how we define "better" because I think it's inarguable the Cubs could have gotten a significantly different package if they didn't get Davies back. They clearly wanted to still compete this year while shedding salary (which is dumb because they will probably just deal Davies at the deadline for a worse prospect than they could have just had now). But if they just wanted to completely blow it up, I think they could easily have gotten a better prospect haul than what they got. |
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Post by dij22 on Dec 29, 2020 11:04:38 GMT -6
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Post by Pale Hose on Dec 29, 2020 11:11:07 GMT -6
He has been excellent since the middle of 2019, no doubt. But the Cubs still got negative value for what they paid him, the first year and a half was just too much to make up.
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Post by andrewvb on Dec 29, 2020 11:33:11 GMT -6
His first half of 2019 was terrible, so combined with a strong second half he had a decent year - I don't think you can argue that was worth over $20M. He was great last year in a small sample size, but clearly the market discounted the short season. There's really no argument here, if there was a better deal out there for Yu the Cubs would have taken it. There's certainly no reason to believe that if the Cubs had waited they could have gotten a better deal, there's only a few teams who would have been willing to absorb a contract like that at all this off-season. It depends on how we define "better" because I think it's inarguable the Cubs could have gotten a significantly different package if they didn't get Davies back. They clearly wanted to still compete this year while shedding salary (which is dumb because they will probably just deal Davies at the deadline for a worse prospect than they could have just had now).But if they just wanted to completely blow it up, I think they could easily have gotten a better prospect haul than what they got. idk that this shows they wanted to compete. the cubs have barely any starting pitching currently to just make it through the season. seems like they just wanted to plug one of those holes. |
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Post by dij22 on Dec 29, 2020 11:45:35 GMT -6
It depends on how we define "better" because I think it's inarguable the Cubs could have gotten a significantly different package if they didn't get Davies back. They clearly wanted to still compete this year while shedding salary (which is dumb because they will probably just deal Davies at the deadline for a worse prospect than they could have just had now).But if they just wanted to completely blow it up, I think they could easily have gotten a better prospect haul than what they got. idk that this shows they wanted to compete. the cubs have barely any starting pitching currently to just make it through the season. seems like they just wanted to plug one of those holes. True, "compete" = "make a deal that is ostensibly but not overtly a complete salary dump" |
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 12:13:11 GMT -6
I still think it's 50-50 Yu falls off a cliff statistically in a full season.
I also think Jed not landing a top prospect for him is a failure in his first big move.
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Post by andrewvb on Dec 29, 2020 12:14:28 GMT -6
I still think it's 50-50 Yu falls off a cliff statistically in a full season. I also think Jed not landing a top prospect for him is a failure in his first big move. love how at odds these two statements are lol |
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 12:17:50 GMT -6
I still think it's 50-50 Yu falls off a cliff statistically in a full season. I also think Jed not landing a top prospect for him is a failure in his first big move. love how at odds these two statements are lol You can't be an actual Cubs fan if you're not constantly at odds with yourself. It's Schrodenger's Fandom. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 12:31:18 GMT -6
What did Yu Darvish do to you, Tweet?
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Post by fiveiron83321 on Dec 29, 2020 12:42:04 GMT -6
when can we band together to protest against the bears and cubs owners to have them sell their respective teams?
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 13:00:30 GMT -6
What did Yu Darvish do to you, Tweet? I wasn't a fan of that contract to begin with. It was obvious he had lost a step in the 2017 World Series (although with the whole Astros thing it makes sense now!) and in 2018 he didn't have it. He came back in the 2nd half of 2019 sure but he never seemed to win the close games (usually through the fault of the sputtering offense). I don't have anything against him personally- I am more pissed at ownership for crying poor over (apparently) shitty real estate deals in that whole area being the genesis of all of this. I want to see those numbers and I hope they come out. The fact that they couldn't getting a pitching prospect out of this is pissing me off now that I've slept on it. Kaplan (ugh) thinks they're only keeping 2 of Bryant/Baez/Rizzo/Contreras. They botched Bryant's situation so bad that I don't even know what they get for him, but I don't see any way he's still on the team by the trade deadline given what we know. If they think Amaya is ready (he's not!) maybe they'll deal Contreras too because why would you need established players if we're gonna run the early part of last decade back. Remember when this team traded Gleyber for a half season of Chapman who nearly biffed it when it mattered anyway? It's fun to imagine if they didn't do that! |
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 13:01:08 GMT -6
when can we band together to protest against the bears and cubs owners to have them sell their respective teams? Bro the Ricketts literally bought the whole neighborhood they'll be there until long after you and I die. |
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 13:02:28 GMT -6
You have a team that fucking prints money and you're committing to a rebuild after all they did to the fanbase. Fuck them. I wish I could quit this shit.
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Post by monasterymonochrome on Dec 29, 2020 13:24:54 GMT -6
You have a team that fucking prints money and you're committing to a rebuild after all they did to the fanbase. Fuck them. I wish I could quit this shit. Hey at least you won four years ago. We’re about to go through the same shit except with poorer owners and no ringz. This shit sucks. Edit: Not to say you can’t complain, ofc. That’s half the fun of sports, I think. Mainly wanted to commiserate in the shared experience of shitty ownership and fucked up baseball economics. |
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 13:32:41 GMT -6
If the Cubs just fucking hit in the playoffs in any year since 2016....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 13:35:50 GMT -6
lol I'd take playoff baseball in consecutive years at this point.
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 13:49:39 GMT -6
lol I'd take playoff baseball in consecutive years at this point. Look there’s a realistic chance the Sox are the only Chicago team above .500 in all sports the next season so you better! |
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Post by clouddead on Dec 29, 2020 14:29:26 GMT -6
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Post by regionrat6337 on Dec 29, 2020 14:33:06 GMT -6
Fuck this team....if that's the case why not include him in the trade to SD and push for Gore or at least a better return |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 14:48:14 GMT -6
Padres are already set at catcher and Caratini was only included because of his relationship with Darvish. I don't think Contreras would have been part of the discussion anyway.
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Post by Tweet on Dec 29, 2020 15:09:36 GMT -6
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Post by fiveiron83321 on Dec 29, 2020 17:40:06 GMT -6
this makes me sad/upset/angry the microcosm of #CubsTwitter i follow hasn't been happy since last night |
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